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Old November 15th, 2016, 08:31   #1
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We have a 2004 Touareg TDI (V10) and love the car, when it drives well. Lately it has stopped accelerating, especially when in 2nd and 3rd gear. Sometimes, when we stop and restart the car it will work well and shifts perfectly. Anyone else has the same/similar problem?
Also, we live in Seattle and want to get it fix, any recommendations are welcome.
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Old November 15th, 2016, 08:42   #2
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You need to find someone with VCDS (VagCom) (there is a list here in the stickies at the top of the page) and have it scanned for codes. Have them scan the car and post the results file up here for all to see.
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Old January 18th, 2017, 20:56   #3
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Hi,
we have had our car scanned for codes and wonder if you can look at it and help us determine what is going on. Thank you

I couldn't figure out how to attach the analysis so I am just pasting it below:

Sunday,11,December,2016,16:11:38:20840
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 7 x64
VCDS Version: 15.7.3.0 (x64)
Data version: 20151216
www.Ross-Tech.com


Code:
VIN: WVGPZ77L44D086551   License Plate: 
Mileage: 321400km-199708mi   Repair Order: Touareg



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Chassis Type: 7L (7L - VW Touareg (2003 > 11/2006))
Scan: 01 02 03 05 06 08 09 11 13 15 16 17 18 19 1C 22 29 32 34 36
          37 39 3C 46 47 55 56 57 64 65 68 69 6C 6D 6E 75 76 77
 
VIN: WVGPZ77L44D086551   Mileage: 321400km-199708miles
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Address 01: Engine        Labels: None
   Part No SW: 070 906 016 BG    HW: 028 101 172 9
   Component: V10 5,0L EDCG000AGM™6366  
   Revision: 5KO3        Serial number: VWZ3Z0D7223920
   Coding: 0060575
   Shop #: WSC 23320 444 131254
   VCID: 56AD795EE256358E7B-5120

4 Faults Found:
17055 - Cylinder 1 Glow Plug Circuit (Q10) 
            P0671 - 000 - Electrical Fault - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 714 /min
                    Torque: 102.7 Nm
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Load: 0.0 %
                    Voltage: 11.48 V
                    Bin. Bits: 00001100
                    Temperature: 25.2∞C

17056 - Cylinder 2 Glow Plug Circuit (Q11) 
            P0672 - 000 - Electrical Fault
             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 714 /min
                    Torque: 102.7 Nm
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Load: 0.0 %
                    Voltage: 11.48 V
                    Bin. Bits: 00001100
                    Temperature: 25.2∞C

18360 - Turbocharger Control Module 1 
            P1952 - 000 - Defective - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 2142 /min
                    Torque: 323.9 Nm
                    Speed: 30.9 km/h
                    Load: 40.0 %
                    Bin. Bits: 00000000
                    Bin. Bits: 00100000
                    Absolute Pres.: 1601.4 mbar
                    Absolute Pres.: 1744.2 mbar

18253 - Please check DTC Memory of Steering Electronics (J527) 
            P1845 - 000 -  - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 777 /min
                    Torque: 221.2 Nm
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Load: 0.0 %
                    Voltage: 11.02 V
                    Bin. Bits: 00001100
                    Bin. Bits: 00001100

Readiness: 1 3 0 0 0 

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Address 02: Auto Trans        Labels: 09D-927-750.lbl
   Part No: 09D 927 750 AN
   Component: AL 750 6A           0546  
   Coding: 0004153
   Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
   VCID: 7AF50DEE368E31EE3F-5120

No fault code found.

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Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 7L0-907-379-MK25.lbl
   Part No: 7L0 907 379 E
   Component: ESP ALLRAD MK25     0202  
   Coding: 0022786
   Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
   VCID: 3B7BC8EA7934C8E664-5120

No fault code found.

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Address 05: Acc/Start Auth.        Labels: None
   Part No SW: 7L0 909 137 C    HW: 7L0 909 137 C
   Component: G2 Kessy            6850  
   Revision: 00H23072    Serial number: VWZ3Z0D7223920
   Coding: 0147688
   Shop #: WSC 23320 444 131254
   VCID: 336BE0CA516400A6BC-5120

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX 
   Component: ELV                 XXXX

1 Fault Found:
01176 - Key 
            008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00101000
                    Fault Priority: 3
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2064.00.00
                    Time: 00:00:14


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Address 06: Seat Mem. Pass        Labels: None
   Part No: 7L0 959 760 
   Component: Sitzverstellung     0701  
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 77F314DA059C2C8640-5120

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 7L6-907-044.clb
   Part No: 7L6 907 044 H
   Component: CLIMAtronic 2+2   X 3717  
   Coding: 0000030
   Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
   VCID: 3977D2E27308FAF676-513C

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 7L6 907 049 C
   Component: CLIMAtronic FOND  X 0306

2 Faults Found:
01592 - Air Quality Sensor (G238) 
            014 - Defective
00064 - Left B-pillar/Footwell Shut-Off Flap Motor (V212) 
            000 -  -  - Intermittent

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Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels: 7Lx-937-049-V1.clb
   Part No: 7L6 937 049 L
   Component:                     2703  
   Coding: 0111839
   Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
   VCID: 458FAE120FF08E1602-5120

5 Faults Found:
00978 - Lamp for Low Beam; Left (M29) 
            010 - Open or Short to Plus - Intermittent
01517 - Control Module for Trailer/Towing Sensor (J345) 
            014 - Defective
00907 - Intervention load Management 
            000 -  - 
01704 - Terminal 58 (Dimming) 
            007 - Short to Ground - Intermittent
01520 - Rain and Light Recognition Sensor (G397) 
            008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent

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Address 11: Engine II        Labels: None
   Part No SW: 070 906 016 BG    HW: 028 101 172 9
   Component: V10 5,0L EDCG000AGS™6366  
   Revision: 5KO3        Serial number: VWZ3Z0D7223920
   Coding: 0060575
   Shop #: WSC 23320 444 131254
   VCID: 56AD795EE256358E7B-513C

3 Faults Found:
18361 - Turbocharger Control Module 2 
            P1953 - 000 - Defective - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 2289 /min
                    Torque: 410.8 Nm
                    Speed: 44.0 km/h
                    Load: 50.2 %
                    Bin. Bits: 00000000
                    Bin. Bits: 00100000
                    Absolute Pres.: 1560.6 mbar
                    Absolute Pres.: 2131.8 mbar

17056 - Cylinder 2 Glow Plug Circuit (Q11) 
            P0672 - 000 - Electrical Fault
             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 714 /min
                    Torque: 118.5 Nm
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Load: 0.0 %
                    Voltage: 11.10 V
                    Bin. Bits: 00001111
                    Temperature: 28.8∞C

17059 - Cylinder 5 Glow Plug Circuit (Q14) 
            P0675 - 000 - Electrical Fault
             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 693 /min
                    Torque: 94.8 Nm
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Load: 0.0 %
                    Voltage: 10.94 V
                    Bin. Bits: 00001111
                    Temperature: 35.1∞C


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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 3D0-909-601.lbl
   Part No: 3D0 909 601 C
   Component: 05 Airbag 8.4E++H01 0352  
   Revision: BB36963     Serial number: 00021301      
   Coding: 0012341
   Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
   VCID: 234B108AE18490264C-5120

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 7L0 959 339 D
   Component: BF-Gewichtsens. 005 0007

1 Fault Found:
01316 - ABS Control Module 
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100100
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 19
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2063.15.31
                    Time: 31:60:00


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Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 7L6-953-549.lbl
   Part No: 7L6 953 549 E
   Component: Lenks‰ulenmodul     3301  
   Coding: 0000232
   Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
   VCID: 4187BA021BD8A2363E-5120

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 7L6-920-xxx-7LA.lbl
   Part No: 7L6 920 980 P
   Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT RB4 2935  
   Coding: 0023231
   Shop #: WSC 23339 444 58667
   VCID: 458FAE120FF08E1602-513C

No fault code found.

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Address 18: Aux. Heat        Labels: 7L6-819-008.lbl
   Part No: 7L6 819 008 B
   Component: Standheizung  E1MAC 0235  
   Coding: 0000030
   Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
   VCID: 356FDED25F101E9692-5120

3 Faults Found:
00667 - Ambient Temperature Signal 
            008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
01126 - Engine Speed Signal 
            008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
00664 - Fuel gauge 
            002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent

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Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.lbl
   Part No: 6N0 909 901 
   Component: Gateway K<>CAN      0101  
   Coding: 0000006
   Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
   VCID: 70E12FC660F27BBE81-513C

No fault code found.

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Address 1C: Position Sensing        Labels: 7L6-919-879.lbl
   Part No: 7L6 919 879 
   Component: JCI PathPoint       1700  
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 04097316444A771E55-5120

No fault code found.

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Address 22: AWD        Labels: None
   Part No: 0AD 927 755 BE
   Component: TRANSFERCASE        0122  
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 7F03FCFA2DAC14C608-513C

No fault code found.

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Address 29: Left Light        Labels: 3D0-909-157.lbl
   Part No: 3D0 909 157 
   Component: EVG GDL+AutoLWR(l)  0001  
   Coding: 0000003
   Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
   VCID: 66CD499E5236A50EEB-513C

1 Fault Found:
00492 - Body Pitch Angle from Level Control Module 
            008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent

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Address 32: Differential Locks        Labels: None
   Part No: 0AC 927 771 B
   Component: SG-Quersperre       5018  
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 3773D4DA451CEC8680-5120

1 Fault Found:
02409 - Brake for Differential Locking Motor 
            008 - Implausible Signal

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Address 34: Level Control        Labels: 7Lx-907-553-34.clb
   Part No: 7L0 907 553 F
   Component: LUFTFDR.-CDC- 3C3P1 3081  
   Coding: 0015521
   Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
   VCID: 366DD9DE4216158E9B-5120

1 Fault Found:
00144 - Rear Left Dampening Adjustment Valve (N338) 
            012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit

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Address 36: Seat Mem. Drvr        Labels: None
   Part No: 7L0 959 760 
   Component: Sitzverstellung     0701  
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 77F314DA059C2C8640-513C

No fault code found.

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Address 37: Navigation        Labels: 7L6-919-887-CD.lbl
   Part No: 7L6 919 887 D
   Component:      Navigation     0628  
   Coding: 0000002
   Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
   VCID: 4793A41A35FC9C06F0-5120

No fault code found.

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Address 39: Right Light        Labels: 3D0-909-158.lbl
   Part No: 3D0 909 158 
   Component: EVG GDL+AutoLWR(r)  0001  
   Coding: 0000003
   Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
   VCID: 67D3449A553CBC06D0-5120

1 Fault Found:
00492 - Body Pitch Angle from Level Control Module 
            008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent

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Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 7L0-959-933.lbl
   Part No: 7L0 959 933 E
   Component: B3 HSG              0201  
   Coding: 0000085
   Shop #: WSC 23320 444 131254
   VCID: 3E7DC1FE6A26DDCE43-4AE6

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 7L0 959 701 B
   Component: Tuersteuergeraet FS 0201

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 7L0 959 702 B
   Component: Tuersteuergeraet BF 0201

   Subsystem 3 - Part No: 7L0 959 703 B
   Component: Tuersteuergeraet HL 0201

   Subsystem 4 - Part No: 7L0 959 704 B
   Component: Tuersteuergeraet HR 0201

1 Fault Found:
00486 - Front Passengers Outside Door Handle Central Locking Button (E370) 
            007 - Short to Ground

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Address 47: Sound System        Labels: 7Lx-035-4xx-47.lbl
   Part No: 7L6 035 466 
   Component: 12K-AUDIOVERST      0108  
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 71E72AC26BF872B68E-5120

1 Fault Found:
00419 - Left Front DSP Midrange Speaker (R103) 
            011 - Open Circuit

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Address 56: Radio        Labels: 7L6-035-186-CD.lbl
   Part No: 7L6 035 186 A
   Component:        Radio        0628  
   Coding: 0005077
   Shop #: WSC 00001 552 00000
   VCID: 3167EAC2AB7832B6CE-5120

2 Faults Found:
00857 - CD Changer Unit (R41) 
            003 - Mechanical Failure
00856 - Radio Antenna 
            011 - Open Circuit

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Address 65: Tire Pressure        Labels: 7L6-907-273.lbl
   Part No: 7L6 907 273 
   Component: Reifendruckueberw.  0052  
   Coding: 0211390
   Shop #: WSC 23339 444 58667
   VCID: 75EF1ED21F905E9652-5120

2 Faults Found:
01507 - Initialization Not Successful 
            000 -  -  - Intermittent - MIL ON
01521 - Sensor for Tire Pressure 
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent - MIL ON

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Address 68: Wiper Electr.        Labels: 7L0-955-119-V1.clb
   Part No: 7L0 955 119 F
   Component: Front Wiper         2416  
   Coding: 0000004
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 3773D4DA451CEC8680-5120

No fault code found.

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Address 69: Trailer        Labels: 7L0-907-383-1D2.lbl
   Part No SW: 7L0 907 383 E    HW: 7L0 907 383 E
   Component: ANHAENGERELEKTRONIK 8254  
   Coding: 0000002
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 366DD9DE4216158E9B-5120

1 Fault Found:
16347 - Control Module - EEPROM Error 
            014 - Defective
             Freeze Frame:
                    Count: 0
                    Count: 0


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Address 6E: Ctrl Head Roof        Labels: 7L6-919-044.lbl
   Part No: 7L6 919 044 L
   Component: DACHDISPLAY         0538  
   Revision: 00800538    Serial number: 2009268.07    
   Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
   VCID: 4081BF0610D2AB3E31-5120

No fault code found.

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Address 75: Telematics        Labels: 3D0-035-617.lbl
   Part No SW: 3D0 035 617 A    HW: 3D0 035 617 A
   Component: Telematik NAR1      0106  
   Coding: 0076510
   Shop #: WSC 31414 000 00000
   VCID: 1E3D217ECAE6BDCE63-513C

No fault code found.

End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 07:11)--------------------------

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Old January 23rd, 2017, 10:35   #4
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Hi Tom/Tereza,

From your scan, it looks as if you have codes stored for both turbocharger control modules. If the turbochargers can't accurately control boost pressure, the engine will be down on power either due to low boost or due to "limp mode."

You also have several codes for glow plugs (cylinders 1, 2, and 5), which you may want to have addressed at some point, especially if you're experiencing cold start difficulties.

At this point, I'd recommend clearing all codes from all control modules (this takes some time to complete), driving the truck for a couple of days, and doing a full scan of all control modules again. That will clear out any old transient codes, leaving only the ones that are current problems, and pointing you in the right direction for repairs.

Good luck from a fellow 2004 V10 owner.
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how are your batteries? looks like you have a low voltage reading. If your batteries are low multiple strange things will happen. That would be the 1st thing I checked before getting to deep into it.
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I had the issue on one of my 2004 V10's. I replaced the N18 valves and it cured the problem. Also if you don't know the condition/ age of the batteries I would go to the dealer and get two new ones. A lot of intermittent problems are solved with fresh batteries and keeping them on a battery tender if not used daily. Also use a tender as a monthly routine if you drive daily.

This is what works for me...
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I had the issue on one of my 2004 V10's. I replaced the N18 valves and it cured the problem. Also if you don't know the condition/ age of the batteries I would go to the dealer and get two new ones. A lot of intermittent problems are solved with fresh batteries and keeping them on a battery tender if not used daily. Also use a tender as a monthly routine if you drive daily.

This is what works for me...
Good advice. I'd also recommend using a battery charger any time you're working on the truck with the ignition on and the engine off (for example, when scanning with VCDS). The electronics consume a lot of power, and while the V10's batteries are big, you can run it down pretty quickly when it isn't running.
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Thanks everyone.
My take away is to 1) get new batteries (existing are about 3 years old), 2) get all codes cleared, 3) drive for a couple of days, 4) re-scan and post new code results both here and on clubtoureg.com, 5) keep in mind the N18 valves solution, possibly/ likely some glow plug and turbo-charger issues.
By the way car starts fine and every now and then runs with the original acceleration (but the nows and thens are happening less and less).
Thanks so much, Tom and Tereza (Seattle).
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Hey guys I think I have a similar problem with my V10. It keeps going into limp mode and I'm driving a v10 with no boost. If I turn the car off and restart I can sometimes get 1 blast of acceleration before limp mode again. VCDS says 18360 turbo control module 1 is the cause.

I first checked my battery voltage, the batteries are 3 years old according to the date stamp. The battery under the seat showed 12 volts and the rear battery showed 12.3 volts.
While I probably could have charged them, I read too many low voltage problems with touaregs under 12.5 volts that I decided to start fresh. New batteries are at 12.6 volts. Cleared all faults with vcds but still get the 18360 code and limp mode.

I took off the control module to have a look. digital corpus and I are working on a fix for the actuator. I'm waiting on parts from Germany to come in for the attempt at fixing. I'll update once we try it out.
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Thanks Temporaptor. it would be really great if this solves your problem - Would you mind keeping us posted on the results? Limp mode is a perfect description.
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Unfortunately it didn't solve my problem, i haven't really had any time to look into it more due to my crazy work schedule right now. I may try a used actuator next. I'll update as information comes in.
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I bought a used actuator on eBay, didn't fix my problem, but now I'm getting a differnt code.
19791 control module 1 for turbo charger
P3335-000- missing message

Still no fix yet.
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We are replacing both turbochargers on our 04 Touareg (TDI). Do any of you have an experience using refurbished ones? We are considering that due to high cost.
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We are replacing both turbochargers on our 04 Touareg (TDI). Do any of you have an experience using refurbished ones? We are considering that due to high cost.
Considering how much it costs to pull the engine out, I would be putting in the best possible parts I could find. If you buy cheap turbos and they fail 20,000 miles later, you're out another $3,000 to pull the engine to replace them again. You won't save money by buying cheap parts, especially something as labor-intensive to work on as a V10 TDI.
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