EA288 confirmed across the board by year end
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oilhammer
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Kind of like a lighter, more nimble A3... but not as refined as an A4, and lightyears behind the A5.Ive never ridden in an A2but I imagine the ride quality is probably pretty nice as well.
RNDDUDE
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So, oilhammer, the bigger the number, the higher the satisfaction? That's what i've been hearing for years...
oilhammer
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Haha, not necessarily...
pleopard
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I went from a 1992 Jetta 1.6TD to a 2006 Jetta TDI. As Oilhammer stated, the A5 is lightyears ahead. My first reaction when I sat in it for the first time was, "wow, I feel like I'm driving a new BMW..." Of course, it was a quantum leap for for me, skipping two generations.
However, as much as I loved and love the A5, I do remember missing the A2. VWs simply remain desirable for their lifetime. I missed the connection the A2 had with the road and I, as the driver. The A5 is brilliant and essentially better in every way, but new cars remove the driver from the harsh environment more and more. The A2 was a raw and fun little experience.
However, as much as I loved and love the A5, I do remember missing the A2. VWs simply remain desirable for their lifetime. I missed the connection the A2 had with the road and I, as the driver. The A5 is brilliant and essentially better in every way, but new cars remove the driver from the harsh environment more and more. The A2 was a raw and fun little experience.
oilhammer
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And that is why I chose to keep my A2. At least, my favorite one. I wish I had my second favorite one still as well, my '86 GTI.
At least, my favorite one. I wish I had my second favorite one still as well, my '86 GTI.DieselFan1984
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I would expect to see the motor next September at the earliest. I'm not catching on the article exactly what the features of the motor that we will get. Are we getting 2.0 EU6 with the VVA? That would be sweet if we do....I will certainly wait for one of them in a few years then.
bhtooefr
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We'll get something similar to the EU6 motor, because our standards are STRICTER than EU6.
The service schedule manual on my new 2012 Jetta says I should change the timing belt at 130K miles.
C.
yatzee
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This thread is about a not-yet-released engine, not the current generation of engines.
donDavide
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I loved my 86 GTi also!And that is why I chose to keep my A2.
DieselFan1984
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That's what I was thinking. I thought I read somewhere that Europe was merging their standards with North America and we would then start to see more diesels in other vehicles across the market.
Maybe there will be a few years before that happens with the merging...
wolfskin
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Europe won't "merge" if it means killing the domestic automakers that have invested many billions in diesel technology. It's the one significant advantage they still hold in the European market over Asian carmakers. Consider that many of the diesel engines in Asian cars sold in EU also come from European makers...
The EUx standards have kept getting stricter over time, but regulators were always carefull to push the OEMs only as far as they will bend, without risking to break.
The EUx standards have kept getting stricter over time, but regulators were always carefull to push the OEMs only as far as they will bend, without risking to break.
PlaneCrazy
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Easy, they will calculate a MTBF of 200,000 miles and bank on the fact that 1) folks will trade well before that or 2) the warranty will long be expired so it will be "so sad, too bad", here's your $10k bill to put it right again.
They already tried this with the balance shaft design on the B5 Passats. But they miscalculated, and instead some failed as low as 40k miles but some have gone much farther too, depending on many factors such as type of use (steady-state vs in town), and pure old fashioned luck (bad tensioner casting crap shoot).
But at least it isn't a chain. VW doesn't do a good job with chains
prothe
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It's clear that VW's priorities in the US are power and emissions and not fuel economy.
They brought their 800cc TDI Up Light Hybrid Concept to LA in 2009 to temp us, but it's clear now that they weren't serious.
http://www.thecarconnection.com/new...p-light-concept-hints-at-future-hybrid-models
The other thing that annoys me about this engine is the extremely high level of complexity that will increase the overall cost of ownership of the car in the long run.
The reason to buy a diesel should be to save money in the long run. I'm not sure that the new engines will accomplish that goal.
They brought their 800cc TDI Up Light Hybrid Concept to LA in 2009 to temp us, but it's clear now that they weren't serious.
http://www.thecarconnection.com/new...p-light-concept-hints-at-future-hybrid-models
The other thing that annoys me about this engine is the extremely high level of complexity that will increase the overall cost of ownership of the car in the long run.
The reason to buy a diesel should be to save money in the long run. I'm not sure that the new engines will accomplish that goal.
fisc
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There's nothing cheap about maintaining the current (ALH, PD, and CR) engines...I own two ALH TDI's (5sp and auto) and love the way the engines perform...thus I take very good care of them.
bhtooefr
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Well, it's "cheap" to maintain an ALH if you buy Chinese parts.
Until those parts fail 5000 miles later and trash your engine...
(But, compared to a modern TDI, an ALH is fairly cheap to maintain.)
Until those parts fail 5000 miles later and trash your engine...
(But, compared to a modern TDI, an ALH is fairly cheap to maintain.)
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Remember that a lot (almost all) of the complexity is being forced on them by emissions regulations. The old indirect injection diesels wouldn't come close to what modern engines are required to meet.
abctdi
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Even the PD engines lost their advantage when the cams wore out. Most fuel savings was eaten up by repair costs. That was where it started going bad for tdi's in general.
bhtooefr
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To be fair, an ALH eating an injection pump costs just as much, if not more, than a PD cam... granted, it's easier to prevent.
oilhammer
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I'm still waiting for my PD to 'eat a cam'. It's gonna be a long wait.
turbocharged798
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Yeah, me too. So far I am just enjoying the 50MPG savings and uber quiet/smooth running engines.I'm still waiting for my PD to 'eat a cam'. It's gonna be a long wait.
bhtooefr
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Well, just like making sure you have lubricity helps the VE pumps, putting oil of the correct weight in helps the PD cams.
DieselFan1984
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Unfortunately, I'm fixing to replace my Cam in my PD motor I'm at 95k right now
I'm lucky to even 38mpg anymore and nothing has changed with driving and maintenance. So, timing belt is getting replaced with one of Franko6s' cams will go in.
I'm at 95k right nowI'm lucky to even 38mpg anymore and nothing has changed with driving and maintenance. So, timing belt is getting replaced with one of Franko6s' cams will go in.
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abctdi
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I remember waiting and grinning, all the while using the spec'd oil.I'm still waiting for my PD to 'eat a cam'. It's gonna be a long wait.
I'm not grinning anymore but I hope you can for a long time...there are plenty of others not grinning either.
I'm sure it didn't help when the dealer sold me 5w-30 505.01 either.
oilhammer
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5w30 is NOT the 'spec'd' oil. Read your owner's manual again.
The correct oil IS available, but you'd have to spoon feed a part number to your local dealer.
http://www.ecstuning.com/ES1884246/ES1293501/
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dubStrom
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2.0-Liter EA288 doesn't sound like an improvement. In corporations these days, one must propose change to keep a job. Shaving 0.5% off supply chain or manufacturing costs is more important than improvement.
A 1.6 liter Golf TDI would sell in the US. The fuel economy numbers would cause them to vaporize from the dealer lots. It would outperform every gas powered roller skate out there, and drive better. But profit margin would not be very large. From a corporate view, that's no improvement.
A 1.6 liter Golf TDI would sell in the US. The fuel economy numbers would cause them to vaporize from the dealer lots. It would outperform every gas powered roller skate out there, and drive better. But profit margin would not be very large. From a corporate view, that's no improvement.
abctdi
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I knew that since day one, but my plan to be warranty proof was to buy the 505.01 oil from the dealer and do the changes myself. When they sold me the 5w-30, I protested but they assured me it was fine. My posts here resulted in replies just like yours above to 'don't worry about it, it's 505.01 like the sticker says'. They did not carry 5w-40 at the time or for quite a while actually. I think I used it only once or twice at the most. They may have it now, but it's too late.5w30 is NOT the 'spec'd' oil. Read your owner's manual again.
The correct oil IS available, but you'd have to spoon feed a part number to your local dealer.
http://www.ecstuning.com/ES1884246/ES1293501/
I did get a BSM under warranty, which many didn't. That would also negate any cost benefit of the tdi
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