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Old February 15th, 2020, 12:44   #31
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Not before I am, I bet.
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Old February 15th, 2020, 14:25   #32
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Not before I am, I bet.
There are no 2020 diesel passenger cars for sale in the USA. That sounds like dead to me.
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Old February 15th, 2020, 17:27   #33
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Plenty of used ones still available and being used out there today. So they'll be around for years still. and then that gives manufacturers in the government and the powers that be the opportunity to let them back in maybe. So not dead.
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Old February 15th, 2020, 18:59   #34
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There are no 2020 diesel passenger cars for sale in the USA. That sounds like dead to me.
Not necessarily saying they're coming back, but this has happened before. Mercedes skipped the early 2000s, VW skipped the early 90s. BMW skipped from the mid-80s until 2009. Audi skipped decades, but they came back. GM skipped from, what, the mid-80s until 2014 (Cruze)(cars, not trucks, of course)?

Circumstances are different right now, but things change. They did before, might again.

I think the best passenger car application for diesel is large luxury cars and big SUVs. Greater benefits from the torque and efficiency of diesels, and the cost of emissions equipment is a smaller percentage of the total cost of the vehicle, making the option more attractive to customers. Imagine a Tahoe or Navigator that can crack 30 MPG highway.
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Old February 18th, 2020, 13:50   #35
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No. The agreement prevented VW from exporting the cars they bought back. The easiest and cheapest thing to do would have been to buy back the TDIs and export them to a country with lower emission standards. The EPA made VW either fix them or scrap them but they couldn't leave the USA.
Actually, the agreement kept VW from shipping unfixed cars out of North America. Once they fixed the ones that would resell, it didn't make economic sense to ship them elsewhere.
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Old February 18th, 2020, 14:17   #36
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We'll never see the GTD over here unfortunately...but why do they insist on not putting the 240hp bi-turbo in the GTD. Guess they don't want to cannibalize the GTI sales.
GTD sales in the UK are already more than GTI and R sales combines. The GTD is the star of the UK Golf lineup.

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"However, the Golf GTD turbodiesel (costing from 27,065) easily outsells them both put together: Volkswagen says up to 15 percent of UK Golf volumes are the hot turbodiesel."
https://uk.motor1.com/news/141108/vo...tsells-gti-uk/
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Old February 18th, 2020, 14:40   #37
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That article is three years old. Diesel sales in the UK have fallen off a cliff in the last several years.

https://amp-theguardian-com.cdn.ampp...20%25251%2524s

https://www.pistonheads.com/news/fea...golf-gtd/39016

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Old February 18th, 2020, 15:11   #38
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Diesel are not coming back in the USA and least not for passenger cars. Diesels are dead here and dying in Europe.

Now that the EU regulates CO2 and not fuel economy diesels no longer have a 15% advantage due to fuel density. Countries are also getting rid of favorable tax rates on diesel fuel. Today a DI turbo gas engine with a 48V mild hybrid system gets the same CO2 rating as a diesel. The hybrid system is also cheaper than the emissions on a diesel and doesn't have the stigma of diesel gate.
Ok I get this. But to do "apples to apples" comparison, what kind of efficiency you get from the TDI engines available that have hybrid characteristics like this one giving us an combined average of 60 MPG (US gallons) and a fuel range of 990 miles?

https://www.encycarpedia.com/us/volk...uemotion-sedan

Yes it is not available in the US but the technology exists for some time. It can do as good or better than the latest Toyota Camry hybrid which is averaging 42 MPG according to fuelly.com for the 2019 year.

Gasoline hybrids have the pros/cons of less complex emission systems but put them head to head with a TDI BlueMotion using the GREET model and see which one comes ahead environmentally speaking. I believe only a similar electric mid-size sedan running on 'clean electricity' and costing around 30% more (my estimate) would do better environmentally than TDI BlueMotion sedan (or other type of vehicles as long as they are similar).
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Old February 19th, 2020, 08:30   #39
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Not 2020, but pretty darn close -



http://www.trucktrend.com/news/2021-...e-3-0l-diesel/
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That 3.0L Escalade won't sell at all. People who buy Escalades could care less about fuel efficiency. They want power. The V8 Duramax would have made a lot more sense for that market segment.
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Perhaps they'll be more successful as lease vehicles for livery companies that offer upscale transportation in and around large cities. I see Escalades, Suburbans and Yukons every day around Chicago being driven by black-suited drivers.

For fuel economy alone, along with state incentives for IL to produce and use biodiesel, these behemoths could be a success story for GM.

Interesting how the EPA crackdown on the foreign diesels of VW/Audi/Porsche discouraged MB and BMW enough to drop diesels, opening up the luxobarge market to domestic brands instead.
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That 3.0L Escalade won't sell at all. People who buy Escalades could care less about fuel efficiency. They want power. The V8 Duramax would have made a lot more sense for that market segment.
Sadly, I agree with you. Unless the customer is towing. That's where the Duramax will shine.
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That article is three years old. Diesel sales in the UK have fallen off a cliff in the last several years.
Good to know, but I don't think that negates my argument that they aren't worried about the GTD stealing sales from the GTI and R. If anything, I'd say it supports it, since I'm sure they'd love to get their sales figures back to where they once were.
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Good to know, but I don't think that negates my argument that they aren't worried about the GTD stealing sales from the GTI and R. If anything, I'd say it supports it, since I'm sure they'd love to get their sales figures back to where they once were.
Right, if anything the plummeting diesel sales supports that argument. I would say the demise of diesel in the UK negates the argument that the GTD is the star of VW's UK lineup. It's funny how we always want what we can't get. The American auto journalists fawn all over the GTD, while to those in the UK it's a ho-hum warm hatch company car.
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I read a review of the Golf that described it as "the Camry of Europe."
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