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Old February 10th, 2020, 09:36   #16
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Based on the sales figures, I don't think skyactiv d will hang around for long in this market.
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Old February 10th, 2020, 11:09   #17
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Likely not, but if you can find a CPO one in a year or two, they should be priced attractively (one hopes...).
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Old February 10th, 2020, 17:03   #18
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I doubt they'll bring it back, but if they did, I'm sure VW would have tons of old customers come back. I would sell mine and buy a new one just for the newer safety tech if they brought them back. Since I know they're not going to bring them back, I'll keep driving my 15 Passat TDI. I had my issues with it, but I love the dang thing now that it's working again, lol. When I was younger I didn't see why anyone would want to keep an old car, but now I understand and am one of those people. If something happened to my car where it was totaled or something, then I would most likely buy another to replace it.
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Old February 10th, 2020, 17:20   #19
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Referring to a '15 Passat as an old car made me smile. My '15 GSW is the newest car I own. Oldest is a '93 Mercedes 300D, followed by a '97 Passat. That car is still a pleasure to drive despite being 22 years old and approaching 300K miles. Lots of life left.

If diesels don't come back i think I'm set for TDIs for the rest of my life, if necessary.
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Old February 10th, 2020, 18:06   #20
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My new car is an "05 Jeep CRD. {:o)
Just as well my "10 Golf TDI got totalled, much happier with the "02 .
I'm suspicious of the new & improved "features", I want to drive the car,
not a bunch of sensors in control.
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Old February 14th, 2020, 06:58   #21
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I loved my 05 Liberty CRD. I wish I still had it. Best car I have had in the snow, heavy with narrow tires, posi and full-time and part-time 4x4. Towing was 5k.
But our family out grew it and I kept the my Jetta and sold the Liby.

BTW an ECM and TCM tune will make you love it even more.
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Old February 14th, 2020, 07:52   #22
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Based on the sales figures, I don't think skyactiv d will hang around for long in this market.
Considering we have been sitting on our initial CX-5 D since we got it last JULY, coupled with the fact that Mazda just IS NOT advertising them AND that they offer almost NO benefit over the gasoline versions, its a dead horse before even leaving the gate.
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Old February 14th, 2020, 16:18   #23
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I'm gonna go against the grain and say we will see diesel come back.

Diesel fuel wont be phased out anytime soon because of over the road hauling. Electric just doesnt have the range that a diesel big rig does, so we are going to be reliant on it for a while longer.

Plus look at how good the buyback TDI's are selling. I'm seeing more on the road today than I was before the scandal. I think people are easy to forgive and forget, especially if Vw can prove to everyone (including CARB and the EPA) that the cars are legitimately as clean as they claim. And I can guarantee, IF Vw wants to bring them in, they will be HEAVILY scrutinized before they are certified for use on our roads.
If I rubbed my finger inside the tailpipe of my (deceased) 2010 JSW, there wasn't any sign of soot. I didn't like the complexity of the emissions system, (etc.) but it was a 'clean' car in my book...
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Old February 14th, 2020, 16:24   #24
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I am with you on this, It is hard to find an electric car with range while towing. My little TDI still gives me 29 mpg when the trailer is attached to it and I can top up the tank pretty much anywhere in minutes. Electric has lots of catching up in this case.
Battery 'density' (charging ability-length of charge) has to increase by a factor of 15, before batteries can equal gasoline. In the entire history of battery technology, 'density' has only increased by a factor of 10.
If an Li-O2 battery can be successfully developed, the internal combustion engine will fall by the wayside, like film cameras vs. Digital did about 20 years ago...
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Old February 14th, 2020, 22:04   #25
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A new link.

https://www.motor1.com/news/398687/2...lf-gtd-teaser/
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Old February 15th, 2020, 09:23   #26
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At $1M an engine to re-introduce it here, I doubt it. It's a shame, as diesel is the better choice for everything but all-out performance (light weight) vehicles.
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Old February 15th, 2020, 09:44   #27
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We'll never see the GTD over here unfortunately...but why do they insist on not putting the 240hp bi-turbo in the GTD. Guess they don't want to cannibalize the GTI sales.
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Old February 15th, 2020, 12:10   #28
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Maybe I am mistaken on this one, but didn't the Dieselgate Agreement with the US regulatory agencies bar VW from importing any more diesels to the US?
No. The agreement prevented VW from exporting the cars they bought back. The easiest and cheapest thing to do would have been to buy back the TDIs and export them to a country with lower emission standards. The EPA made VW either fix them or scrap them but they couldn't leave the USA.

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Old February 15th, 2020, 12:23   #29
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Saw this article yesterday, does this mean TDI's will be available in the U.S. again?
Diesel are not coming back in the USA and least not for passenger cars. Diesels are dead here and dying in Europe.

Now that the EU regulates CO2 and not fuel economy diesels no longer have a 15% advantage due to fuel density. Countries are also getting rid of favorable tax rates on diesel fuel. Today a DI turbo gas engine with a 48V mild hybrid system gets the same CO2 rating as a diesel. The hybrid system is also cheaper than the emissions on a diesel and doesn't have the stigma of diesel gate.
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I'm gonna go against the grain and say we will see diesel come back.

Diesel fuel wont be phased out anytime soon because of over the road hauling. Electric just doesnt have the range that a diesel big rig does, so we are going to be reliant on it for a while longer.
Diesel will be around for decades in the heavy duty market. EVs will work fine for port use, switching trailers, and short depot to depot runs. For long haul it will be diesels for a decade or more. Same with the offroad market.

Passenger cars and CUVs for personal use? Diesel is dead.
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