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VW MKVI-A6 Jetta Sedan (~ 2011+) Discussions area for the MkVI (2011+) Jetta sedan. This model was originally codenamed NCS (New Compact Sedan).

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Old December 14th, 2017, 13:16   #16
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not sure i can 100% agree with you on that. MK4 to MK6 sure, MK5 to MK6 no. I have had my 2015 Jetta TDI for just over 1 week and there are tons of misses between the MK5 and MK6, and a lot of it is simple ****.
Let me clarify. Because of the MQB, the engineering costs are more evenly shared and the engineering is better relative to their costs. Like bigger brakes on base models, or better base engines, or the same drag coefficient despite the bigger interior dimensions. More serviceability like heater cores that can be replaced without removing the dashboard. Filters, fluids, and other consumables used by MQB vehicles, lowering the overall cost to service. Less part numbers in inventory, further lowering manufacturing, logistics, and engineering costs.

Yes, the Mk6 is not as "good" if you look only at what makes a German car "German". Like trunk hinges that intrude into the trunk space instead of a multi-link hinge hidden in the margins. Thinner metals in the body, no soft-touch dash, no analog fuel or temperature gauge, etc. Of course there are things you will notice. With the Mk4 and Mk5, VW tried to compete in the same space as the C class and 3 series, at the price point of an Altima or Civic... the result was horrible reliability, components built to meet a price point instead of a quality point. I think the Mk6's overall quality is worlds ahead of even the Mk5.

Point is, VW had to compete globally and they were able to deliver a highly competitive car in the industry while dramatically reducing costs. To the vast majority of people, the car is better in every way. To enthusiasts, we see them as cheapened out, but having owned 30+ VW products, I don't believe it was to the detriment of the generation. Basically, in a global market, it's a comparatively better car when you look at the big picture. Don't mistake features and design language with quality is all I'm trying to say.
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Old December 14th, 2017, 20:05   #17
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Let me clarify. Because of the MQB, the engineering costs are more evenly shared and the engineering is better relative to their costs. Like bigger brakes on base models, or better base engines, or the same drag coefficient despite the bigger interior dimensions. More serviceability like heater cores that can be replaced without removing the dashboard. Filters, fluids, and other consumables used by MQB vehicles, lowering the overall cost to service. Less part numbers in inventory, further lowering manufacturing, logistics, and engineering costs.

Yes, the Mk6 is not as "good" if you look only at what makes a German car "German". Like trunk hinges that intrude into the trunk space instead of a multi-link hinge hidden in the margins. Thinner metals in the body, no soft-touch dash, no analog fuel or temperature gauge, etc. Of course there are things you will notice. With the Mk4 and Mk5, VW tried to compete in the same space as the C class and 3 series, at the price point of an Altima or Civic... the result was horrible reliability, components built to meet a price point instead of a quality point. I think the Mk6's overall quality is worlds ahead of even the Mk5.

Point is, VW had to compete globally and they were able to deliver a highly competitive car in the industry while dramatically reducing costs. To the vast majority of people, the car is better in every way. To enthusiasts, we see them as cheapened out, but having owned 30+ VW products, I don't believe it was to the detriment of the generation. Basically, in a global market, it's a comparatively better car when you look at the big picture. Don't mistake features and design language with quality is all I'm trying to say.
yep you got it. reducing cost and seen as cheap... because its true. don't get me wrong I like my TDI but there are lots of things compared to previous generation that make it look & feel cheap
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Old December 18th, 2017, 12:10   #18
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I certainly can't argue with that... I guess the Tl;dr of my post above is that while it has certainly been built more cheaply, the dollars go much farther in the Mk6 than they did in the Mk4/5 generations.

If you account for inflation, my 1998 Jetta would be $30,000 today. I still have the window sticker listing at $19,599. A Mk4 TDI base model is $25,100 today. A loaded Mk5 today would be north of $28-30,000. I paid $18,400 for my Jetta S out the door, which with its standard equipment I think was in insanely good value. Add to the fact that VW gave me $6,600 to keep it, I'd say it's probably one of the best values I'll ever own in my lifetime.
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Old December 18th, 2017, 16:51   #19
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Been driving the new 2015 for a couple days now. The shifting is crazy to get used to compared to my tiptronic 2005. Overall it drives nices, warms up faster, quieter. Also, not sure how much fuel it holds but I am almost 300 miles into the first tank and not even to half a tank??? My only question is what is going on when I push the "ok" button on the right side of the steering wheel and it appears to lock a MPH on the screen that normally is just 3 dash lines.
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Old December 19th, 2017, 07:54   #20
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If you run it dry, it'll take about 13 or 13.5 gallons.

The "OK" button on the right side is used to reset the MDF. For example, you'd use that to reset the MPG average when you fill the tank. Specifically to your question, you must be look at average speed.
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Old January 2nd, 2018, 14:28   #21
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Read that again... the OK is used to reset the MFD by press and hold. You can also cycle through the data by pressing it once. "1" is since start, "2" persists until you reset it. I reset 1 and 2 when I fill the tank. 2 will also track hours, which is a fun metric to track in addition to miles. I reset the "2" hour counter when the oil is changed.
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Old January 2nd, 2018, 15:12   #22
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One the drive from TX to MN I got that controller figured out. The most irritating thing to me now is there is absolutely no indication off coolant temp. I want that so I know when I can turn the heat on when it is -25F!
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Old January 3rd, 2018, 07:49   #23
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I fully agree. I satiate my want with Torque and a bluetooth dongle, then I can monitor EGTs as well.
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Old January 3rd, 2018, 08:23   #24
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I fully agree. I satiate my want with Torque and a bluetooth dongle, then I can monitor EGTs as well.
There are so many of those blue tooth dongles out there. There is a Veepeak one and an ELM 327 that are pretty low cost with lots of good reviews. Which one is working good for you?
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Old January 3rd, 2018, 08:27   #25
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My 2015 Beetle came with coolant temp and oil temp displays built into the driver cluster. Boost in the center dash cluster. Now I just use the dpf app for monitoring regens.
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Old January 3rd, 2018, 09:22   #26
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There are so many of those blue tooth dongles out there. There is a Veepeak one and an ELM 327 that are pretty low cost with lots of good reviews. Which one is working good for you?
I've had great success with the Panlong adapter. It's been connected to my Jetta for at least the last 14 months. It also works with my Ford and Nissan products.

https://www.amazon.com/Panlong-Bluet...eywords=elm327

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My 2015 Beetle came with coolant temp and oil temp displays built into the driver cluster. Boost in the center dash cluster. Now I just use the dpf app for monitoring regens.
The "premium" instrument panels came with those readouts. My TDI S sure doesn't have it, but my buddy's 2015 Jetta Sport has it.
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I've had great success with the Panlong adapter. It's been connected to my Jetta for at least the last 14 months. It also works with my Ford and Nissan products.
https://www.amazon.com/Panlong-Bluet...eywords=elm327
The "premium" instrument panels came with those readouts. My TDI S sure doesn't have it, but my buddy's 2015 Jetta Sport has it.
SO that Panlong dongle says it isn't for diesels? Does it work on your TDI? I might get one that supports Apple OS because I may be forced off my android phone soon. Thanks for the info.
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I don't know what they mean by that because it works very well with my 2015 Jetta. They're probably talking about stuff like injector buzz tests on Ford diesels.
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Old January 3rd, 2018, 11:42   #29
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My car doesn't have a temp gauge either. kinda annoying (add that to the list) i want to know when the motor is warm not for heater reasons but i know i can be harder on the accelerations when needed.
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SO that Panlong dongle says it isn't for diesels? Does it work on your TDI? I might get one that supports Apple OS because I may be forced off my android phone soon. Thanks for the info.
I have this one
https://www.amazon.com/ScanTool-4261...tool+bluetooth

that one ^ will not work with iOS. The reason you will have issues with some Bluetooth devices and iOS is that the Bluetooth data channel (SPP) is locked down, it takes a fair amount of work and extra hardware at design time to work with iOS.

this one uses WiFi to connect to iOS devices. i have this one as well and it works with iOS.
https://www.scantool.net/obdlink-mxwf/

i'm sure any other cheaper wifi based version will work
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Interesting, The wifi version was interesting since I use the bluetooth to play spotify and hook to the phone. Those 2 are quite a bit more $ but I guess they must be better on battery drain and speed huh? I was seriously considering getting the VAGCOM thing for $199 which is why I was looking at a cheaper dongle but now I am torn. Maybe this wifi dongle will let me read what I want like transmission temp etc. on my 2005 TDI it is shifting hard from 2nd straight to 4th so I need something to see what is going on.

stupid iOS...
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