Holy Crap!LOL! I love this however, there have been some Canadian failures lately so maybe it should reflect that no fuel is allowed in these vehicles, eh? Later!
Isn't this proof that VW is saying the Bosch HPFP isn't up to US specs?
Holy Crap!LOL! I love this however, there have been some Canadian failures lately so maybe it should reflect that no fuel is allowed in these vehicles, eh? Later!
Tomato or tomatoe...same diff.It comes down to did VW say "design this pump" or did Bosch say "use this pump".
The label is fake. Don't believe everything you read on the internetTomato or tomatoe...same diff.
To me (and I know my opinion means crap to VW) they admitted with this label warning that their HPFP isn't up to US fuel spec's.
Aw, come on! It was fun while it lasted. Later!The label is fake. Don't believe everything you read on the internet
Yeah ... I could tell because it wasnt' printed in both theThe label is fake. Don't believe everything you read on the internet
D'oh...The label is fake. Don't believe everything you read on the internet
Bloomberg Business news just posted this update on the NHTSA investigation of the HPFP failure.
VW insists that all HPFP failures are caused by "mis-fueling" issues.
NHTSA is estimating that 0.53% of 2009 models (1 in 200) and 0.11% of 2010 models (1 in 1,000) have experienced these failures.
According to the report, the HPFP pump has now been redesigned three times!
This issue has been escalated by NHTSA and may result in a recall.
Bloomberg Article:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-02-11/volkswagens-under-u-s-review-for-fuel-pump-flaws.html
NHTSA document:
http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/acms/docservlet/Artemis/Public/Pursuits/2010/PE/INCLA-PE10034-6542.PDF
ONly way to know if you got the latest pump is to ask for the part number prior to installation.Did I get a 3rd generation (newest, right) pump?
Correct. Plus you guys are all making several assumptions that are (so far) unproven. You are assuming that you can tell the difference between old and new pumps and you are assuming that the new pumps are actually better. All we know for sure is that they have been changed. We do not know in what way they have been changed. Is it to make them more reliable, or is it to make them cheaper to build? We really have no proof. We all hope that they are better and more reliable, but only time will tell. There have been HPFP failures with new pumps, but they are new, so we have no long term data go judge them by. Design changes can be made for many reasons - reliability is only one of them. We also do not know how successful those design changes will be in the long haul. Keep your fingers crossed, guys.They all have the same part number, which is why we didn't know of the revisions until the NHTSA said it had been revised.
Unfortunately, I do not think there is a way to tell, unless the manufacturing date is printed on the label (they all have the same part number). However, even if the manufacturing date is on the label, we really do not know the exact cut-over dates for the model changes. VW seems to prefer to keep us in the dark about these changes. Hopefully we will learn more as time goes on.... but the original questions was how he would tell if he got the lastest pump design.
VW/Bosch makes/uses a fake HPFP... no if's ands or buts, with the way it fails and does so much damage to the whole fuel system. A real HPFP will do 300,000 miles or 25,000 hours like the rest of a TDI motor, without taking out the whole fuel system, as built by Bosch from 1978 to 2003 for the North American market. Anything less is inexcusable.I made the fake label using powerpoint and don't speak French. My sincere apologies if any members were fooled, that was not my intention. It was intended as commentary on the reported advice of some Canadian dealers and the idea that only 3/4 of fuel range should be used in order to prevent catastrophic failure.
The injector lobes on pd cams don't eat up. It's the narrow valve lobes that eat. PD cam problems have nothing to do with injection pressures. Well, maybe the strange wear on the bearings...The pump used on our cars is hardly considered an HPFP, though, as far as diesel pumps go.
The PD pumps, now those could be considered high pressure. In fact, they're higher pressure than the current CR systems. They eat camshafts, but the pumps themselves are fine...
DPM, you guys have had this technology longer than us. So would you elaborate on what problems you've encountered? (and what the fixes are).again, I remind you that issues with CR pumps of all brands exist this side of the Pond too; although less so than ten years back.
well let us know if they put in a Delphi or a Bosch replacement pump... get some pictures of it after it's out of the shop and back home. Seems VW has known about this craptastic pump since 2009, when they started work together in conjunction with Delphi for a solution.JSW in the shop now going on 4 weeks. Unable to get parts. "Backorder". That many failures? Still driving their loaner car rent free.
Niner, is the problem referred to the wear of the PD cam shafts or the HPFP failures, or something else? And, in very simple technical language, how do you know that answer from the memo. And, more importantly, how does the memo indicate that VW was "covering up" a problem? I am not doubting you. I just don't know enuf to understand all the technical connections.And it is now apparent that Vw knew of the problem a long time ago, and that they worked with Delphi in 2009 on the problem, to the extent that Delphi announced publicly in May of 2010, that they had a replacement pump that overcame the failure issues common with a round bored shoe follower for the roller, instead press fitting in a rectangular version design of their own, which solved the rotation problem of the roller on the cam.