STRANGETDI
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nice write-up. thanks
Motive brake fluid change (caution 3MB of pics)
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Lightman
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Ok two basic quesions. What size ID hose are you guys using for the bleeder screws? Where can ATE brake fluid be found, and I'm assuming it's fine for our tdi's?
Also whats with the clutch bleeder, does that flush out the clutch's fluid as well?
Also whats with the clutch bleeder, does that flush out the clutch's fluid as well?
VelvetFoot
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I have two extra liters of ate blue. I ran out when I did the ASR unit.
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Ok well I figured out where to get ATE blue, however, still wondering the hose size. Do you guys think the cap for the motive bleeder will fit MB's as well?
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well what the heck. I got caught up in the moment of this thread, and just ordered a motive and ate blue. My MB needs it and the dealer charges $100 for a brake fluid change. I guess my cost will come out around half so it will save money anyway.
dieseldorf
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Lightman, many Euro cars require the 45mm cap which is standard fitment to the MOTIVE. You shall have no concerns.
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Does the motive bleeder accept different size caps or do they sell different sizes? I'd love to use it to bleed the brakes on my ATV as well.
dieseldorf
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If you check the MOTIVE site, you will find many additional additional caps/adapters but you'll have to measure the ATV's corresponding size. It shouldn't be a big deal.
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Thanks dorf. Last try, anyone know the hose size? hehe
Neil Womack
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Can a really cheap person, like myself. Just use the old method of bleeding brakes.
You know the one where a helper, who can follow instructions, sits in the drivers seat presses and holds the brake peddle till told to let it up. Then repeat till done.
You know the one where a helper, who can follow instructions, sits in the drivers seat presses and holds the brake peddle till told to let it up. Then repeat till done.
I HAVE used the motive bleeder on my MB. It works just fine.dieseldorf said:
Lightman, many Euro cars require the 45mm cap which is standard fitment to the MOTIVE. You shall have no concerns.
Brian, 97 Passat TDI
DallasTDi
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Is it me - or does the PDF in the fifth post not work?
I REALLY want to save and print the PDF for future use, but it's blank. Any ideas?
AWESOME write-up BTW Cosmic. Muchos Grassy Ass
I REALLY want to save and print the PDF for future use, but it's blank. Any ideas?
AWESOME write-up BTW Cosmic. Muchos Grassy Ass
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DallasTDi said:
Is it me - or does the PDF in the fifth post not work?
I REALLY want to save and print the PDF for future use, but it's blank. Any ideas?
AWESOME write-up BTW Cosmic. Muchos Grassy Ass
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Gewilli has the PDF available at his TDI website. Check it, its a great resource. Thanks Geoff. Here is a link to the pdf.
http://www.cst.cmich.edu/users/willi1gl/VW/PDF/BrakeFluidChange.pdf
EDIT - It does appear to be you as the pdf link in the fifth post does work for me.
DallasTDi said:
Is it me - or does the PDF in the fifth post not work?
I REALLY want to save and print the PDF for future use, but it's blank. Any ideas?
AWESOME write-up BTW Cosmic. Muchos Grassy Ass
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Gewilli has the PDF available at his TDI website. Check it, its a great resource. Thanks Geoff. Here is a link to the pdf.
http://www.cst.cmich.edu/users/willi1gl/VW/PDF/BrakeFluidChange.pdf
EDIT - It does appear to be you as the pdf link in the fifth post does work for me.
Jeroen
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"Brake fluid is hygroscopic, which means, it absorbs water over time. Under extreme loads, steam bubbles form in the brake system, which causes the brake pedal to go to the floor when braking. The threat of brake failure is very real. Only regular replacement with, say, Original ATE brake fluid will ensure that the brake system is fully functional in all driving situations."
Dieseldorf, does this hygroscopic property also over time threaten clutch performance? I am at 72K on my 2000 Golf and suffer intermittent clutch slipping which appears not be temperature dependent. I have never changed the brake fluid, but I have added to it. If one reservoir pressurizes/supplies both perhaps I need to switch this fluid?
Dieseldorf, does this hygroscopic property also over time threaten clutch performance? I am at 72K on my 2000 Golf and suffer intermittent clutch slipping which appears not be temperature dependent. I have never changed the brake fluid, but I have added to it. If one reservoir pressurizes/supplies both perhaps I need to switch this fluid?
dieseldorf
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no, bad brake/clutch fluid is not going to be responsible for a slipping clutch.
When you perform your Springtime brake fluid flush, there is a separate bleeder nipple for the clutch...it's all very simple. Don't overlook it.
When you perform your Springtime brake fluid flush, there is a separate bleeder nipple for the clutch...it's all very simple. Don't overlook it.
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hey dieseldorf, is there a specific reason why you do this in the spring, or is it just for weather-related convienience? our dubs are due in february for the biannual flush and i was wondering if i should wait a month or so. thanks.
...When you perform your Springtime brake fluid flush, ...
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hey dieseldorf, is there a specific reason why you do this in the spring, or is it just for weather-related convienience? our dubs are due in february for the biannual flush and i was wondering if i should wait a month or so. thanks.
dieseldorf
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hey dieseldorf, is there a specific reason why you do this in the spring
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Of course. It's when you are coming out of the most severe conditions (meaning humidity and temp changes) the car experiences during the year.
hey dieseldorf, is there a specific reason why you do this in the spring
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Of course. It's when you are coming out of the most severe conditions (meaning humidity and temp changes) the car experiences during the year.
AVE_ENG
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Can someone please post the hose size to use for the bleed nipples????
Throughout this whole thread, it was never answered. I'd like to start gathering the tools and materials, so this would be much appreciated.
Throughout this whole thread, it was never answered. I'd like to start gathering the tools and materials, so this would be much appreciated.
JetPuf
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the hose I used I purchased from wal-mart
I used aquarium air hose line. 8 feet was only 98 cents!
Kiwi_ME
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1/4" ID is the right size, 3/16" will work however.
Vectorer
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Jeroen: I have the Motive bleeder. Buy a litre of Super Blue and we can quickly swap-out your old fluid for fresh.
STRANGETDI
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So the hose is 1/4" ID or 3/16" ID. Is the clutch screw the same as well?
I will be doing my brakes this weekend. Why do the clutch screw? I don't think it was answered and would like to know why.
Also when bleeding, some don't fill the Motive with fluid. Do you pour the new fluid in the brake fluid reservoir, between the high & low marks and pump the Motive? Then release the pressure on the bleeder, unscrew the cap on the reservoir and then add more fluid when needed, then pump the Motive again, repeating the process when needed. Am I following this correctly? It seemed to be explained well in the first post but just wanted to make sure I do it right the first time. Thanks.
I hope someone will answer before Saturday
mannytranny
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I have done several vehicles with the motive, and it works quite well. Im not fond of the chain mechanism for vehicles other than the TDI, but hey. It got the job done.
If you go to NAPA, they have perfectly clear fluid, and it is easy to distinguish from the old stuff. No need for the blue, IMO.
When I turkey basted out my old fluid from the resevoir of the TDI, I got quite a bit of chunks of something. Odd, but the mesh seems to have done its job.
Its pretty easy to do all in all.
If you go to NAPA, they have perfectly clear fluid, and it is easy to distinguish from the old stuff. No need for the blue, IMO.
When I turkey basted out my old fluid from the resevoir of the TDI, I got quite a bit of chunks of something. Odd, but the mesh seems to have done its job.
Its pretty easy to do all in all.
pruzink
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Did the brake bleed on my daughter's Jetta recently. The push, hold release method works just fine it just takes an extra person and takes a while.
STRANGETDI
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Any anwser to these? Sat. morning is coming up.
paramedick
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You bleed the clutch because it is a hydraulic system, and shares the same reservoir as the brakes. So all the bad things that can happen to brake fluid will happen to the fluid in the clutch, too. Go ahead and bleed it. Just be aware that you have to pump the pedal while bleeding it.
As far as what method is best, it really doesn't matter. I have done it both ways. Most folks just fill the Motive because it is easier. If you use the reservoir method, be sure to keep a close eye on the level in the reservoir to prevent air from entering the system.
Also, when removing the old fluid from the reservoir with a turkey baster, don't forget to remove the screen so most of the old fluid is removed.
STRANGETDI
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Thanks. When pumping the clutch pedal, the fluid should change from brown to blue and then let the pedal come up and then tighten the clutch screw is way I asuume. Tomorrow is the day. It should go fine, I hope.
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Cosmic,
Thanks for the write up. I followed this this weekend and all is well. Thanks to those who also answered questions. Really easy with the Motive (thanks to mycruiseagent for letting me borrow the Motive)
Thanks for the write up. I followed this this weekend and all is well. Thanks to those who also answered questions. Really easy with the Motive (thanks to mycruiseagent for letting me borrow the Motive)