2.0 Gen 1 post fix impressions, issues, etc.

berkstdi

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Les, the owner of German Diesel Motorwerks (GDM), is a master mechanic and TDI specialist. He's the best there is. He did my CP3 installation. It's about 2 hours to get to the shop from SE PA, but it's nice up there in the country and not a bad drive at all. You can have lunch at the old gas station that was converted to a diner!
German Diesel Motorwerks (GDM)

Thanks for the referral! I have been thinking about doing this but waiting for the fix. Schedules for Oct 10. Will contact Les after that process is done.
 

ksing44

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You'll get a warranty on the HPFP after the fix. I was already past the extended 120K warranty when I had mine done before the dieselgate fix. That said, I think I'd hate having the HPFP fixed after it happened if it did happen. The idea that you could really effectively clean out all the shrapnel in the system after it happened always seemed dubious to me.
 

berkstdi

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Yes, I know about the warranty, but I am of the same mind as you are about dealing with the aftermath of the pump decaying into the system. So far all seems good at 113,000 plus but I have been thinking about doing this for some time. The payout from getting the fix would fund this and other work to make this car 'bullet-proof'. So, I may go ahead this fall with that additional work.
 

Mandevillian

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So, if I am getting the gist of this thread....it is favorable to get your JSW TDI repaired and pocket the money, rather than take the buyout and try to find another car you would be happy with?
I love my 2011 manual.
 

craigldavis

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So, if I am getting the gist of this thread....it is favorable to get your JSW TDI repaired and pocket the money, rather than take the buyout and try to find another car you would be happy with?
I love my 2011 manual.
That was my exact situation. Love my car; got the fix; glad I did.

Mine was also backed by economics. High miles (280,000) so like $11000 buyback or $5100 to keep it. Thus, they were really only giving me $5900 for my car. It’s worth more than $5900 to me and I doubt I could buy anything to replace it for $5900. But give me $5100 and a nice warranty to keep it and that’s a great deal for me!

Now if I had one with low miles and they were paying me $25000 for a buyback and if I could buy a 2015 TDI for $20000 the buyback would have been my choice. Again love for TDI supported by economics.
 

Mandevillian

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Now if I had one with low miles and they were paying me $25000 for a buyback and if I could buy a 2015 TDI for $20000 the buyback would have been my choice. Again love for TDI supported by economics.

Exactly, I was trying to get VoA to help me acquire one of their 2015 buy backs...but they were uninterested...neither was my local dealer. I haven't seen any bargains on 2015s
 

craigldavis

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Look at craigslist and ebay - there’s dealers advertising them online on those sites.
 

St.Hubbins

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Exactly, I was trying to get VoA to help me acquire one of their 2015 buy backs...but they were uninterested...neither was my local dealer. I haven't seen any bargains on 2015s
you may have missed your window on bargains... i got our '15 w/ just 6k miles for $20k out the door. still can't believe it, actually
 

ksing44

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Two things to add:

1st - I was wrong about the weird longer regen that I thought had lower EGT. It was a typical DPF regen. I was frustrated that day and turned the car off during the regen because it started just before I pulled into work. When I started the car at the end of the day, it proceeded just like a typical DPF regen with higher EGTs

2nd - I just mentioned this in another related thread. I think there are more frequent NOx regenerating cycles or other types of fuel injection events controlled by the ECU after the fix. I seem to have much more frequent short bursts of higher EGT after the fix. And when those EGT bursts occur, there are also typically some subtle but noticeable changes in power delivery.
 
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Stealth TDI

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Just read this entire thread. What a mixed bag! I turned in my 2014 Jetta for a Mk7 GTI last year. Haven't decided on the wife's 2014 Jetta with 35,000 miles yet. Buyback is nearly $27,000. With that, I could easily buy a new Jetta SE w/1.4T and avoid the potential for emissions warranty headaches. But she doesn't want to give up the car.

Trying to decide what I value more: Her love for the car or my desire to not be pissed at a "fixed" car when it breaks (not to mention the non-emissions work I see coming up). :( What's not to like about a new car, free and clear? A 2018 Mk6 is bound to have a few improved creature features, too.
 

kjclow

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At 35k miles, you're looking at a 40k service coming up. That's mostly an oil change, dsg fluid change, and maybe a fuel filter. All in about $200 at the dealer (IIRC). Your big service isn't until 120k. Looking at your current miles, that's years away.
 

Stealth TDI

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I'm not concerned about the upcoming oil change. I have plenty at home and can get the job done in 15 minutes the IDParts.com oil extractor. Fuel filter is cheap/easy. No DSG here. The car is close to needing tires, I think. These will make it though the winter, but then they're done in my book.

The big expense is a potential AC compressor. I've read about the common RCV problems; my other Mk6 had this problem when it went back to VW. Now my wife's AC is exhibiting signs of the same problem coming soon. I know VW's fix is to just install a new compressor with the same problem-prone RCV, all at customer expense. Not sure if getting a 2018 will eliminate that problem, though.

Okay. I don't want to derail this topic too far. Just wanted to express some sentiment about the mixed results from the "fix" here. :(
 

kjclow

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There's a thread on how to fix the AC without replacing the condenser. I've learned the hard way to replace the tires before winter even if they look like they'll make it. Much better to drive through the crap with good tread.
 

Diesl

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[...] What's not to like about a new car, free and clear? A 2018 Mk6 is bound to have a few improved creature features, too.
That's exactly what I'm not so sure about. I'm afraid unless one goes for the high end / high price SEL, one will find that VW got pretty good at building things to a price point, and decontenting and cheapening compared to the standard TDI of the previous generation.
I'm going to wait and see what other manufacturers will put on the market next year. But it's looking more and more like the fix.
 

GearGuy2014

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At 35k miles, you're looking at a 40k service coming up. That's mostly an oil change, dsg fluid change, and maybe a fuel filter. All in about $200 at the dealer (IIRC). Your big service isn't until 120k. Looking at your current miles, that's years away.
The 40k mile service is one of the bigger services and I paid $500 for mine which was a deal as the dealership I bought my car from wanted $750 for the 40k.
 

IanEricson

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I had the modification done and it turned out just fine. The check engine light was on and they made me have a sensor replaced before the modification. A couple weeks after the modification the engine light came on and VW replaced the DPF under the extended warranty. The car runs well. The diesel ignition knock sound is very noticeable at low rpms. The power and fuel economy do not seem noticeably different. The shift pattern is different but it is fine. My concern was that I had used the VAG COM software to adjust a bunch of ECM settings including adjusting the tire size since I had replaced the Jetta 17 inch wheels and tires with the Passat18 inch tires. Changing one of the digits from a 7 to a 2 adjusted the speedometer, odometer and fuel mileage calculations to reflect the increased tire diameter. After the modification all of the edits I had done using the VAG COM software were still exactly as they were before the modification. I was very happy about that. I did not experience any downside to having the modification done. Also, while the car was there, they did all the maintenance, changed all the fluids and a tire alignment. Getting everything up to 100% plus the modification actually made mine run a little better.
 

forrest resto`s

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2011 jetta manual..53,000 miles...Just got back from a 700 mile trip after the fix......first.. all the plus's . and I can honestly say I'm satisfied with the fix;).. engine sounds the same...power is the same if not a little better..MPG's is about the same ...a neat little feature I did not have before.. next to the clock on the MFD. is now showing what gear I'm in..and also shows when to shift ( kinda hard to explain).. kinda neat!:) Was not there before.. no explanation for this but a nice surprise..only thing I guess that I don't like is the more frequent "regeneration's" it does.. not a problem really but this is just the facts...so as of " the last few days" I got 6000.00 for a slight improvement on my car..no complaints at all for now except even before the fix noticed I was not getting the mpg's that I see others getting (up to 50) heck I would have done the same for free and get the extended warranty...no worries as of now.......I'll also give updates if necessary..now just have to figure out why my mpg's went down before the fix..getting about 42 mpg now..about the same as before the fix..
 
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allride

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2014 JSW MT, 56598 mi.
Dropped off at 8 am, got txt message about 2.5 hrs later, car was finished. They needed to test drive (which turned out to be 8 mi.)
I picked 1 hr later. Only drove a few miles home, didn't notice any differences.
I purchased new 12/16/14.
MPG since new (56598 mi) is 39.8; probably 75/25 HW/City. I'll post updated MPG #'s after I drive for a few months.
 

josephbui

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wow!! 450.00 for that relay.. can buy them for around 100.00...takes a few minutes to replace..I really am saddened when stealerships rip off customers..It may or may not have been the relay.. they might have just "mistakenly" disturbed some wiring near the glow plug harness
To complete the repairs story: 2 days after I got the car back from the dealership from the glow plug relay replacement, the car wouldn't start. (Washington DC, not a cold morning.) I had to get to work, so I had roadside assistance come on Saturday morning about 10am (still not cold), and the person tried to jump it, first with a battery pack and then with both battery pack and cables to his car. He tried cranking it until I told him to stop when smoke started coming out of the engine and there was a distinct electrical burning smell. Just as part of the sob story, when the tow truck from roadside assistance finally arrived, the lift wasn't working so I had to wait for someone to come fix the tow truck.

In any case, the dealership said the battery was dead and replaced it ($260). Now the car starts, at least. I'm almost believing them that it's just a battery, as I think the prior battery also lasted about 4 years, and 4 years for a car battery doesn't sound that bad. Still, it's extremely annoying to bring a car in for a recall and end up spending $700+ on random repairs.

Back to the emissions modification: the car still smells like diesel exhaust inside when the windows are rolled up. I've been keeping the windows open because the smell makes me slightly dizzy. I had VW Customer Care contact the dealer's service center to do an investigation and I'm supposed to hear back about that next week. I separately contacted the TDI Settlement support number and the person there said that if Customer Care's diagnosis indicates that there is a problem, it is possible to switch to the buyback even after the recall work has been performed.

I'll post another update when I have more information.
 
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toneman

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I separately contacted the TDI Settlement support number and the person there said that if Customer Care's diagnosis indicates that there is a problem, it is possible to switch to the buyback even after the recall work has been performed.
Now that is fascinating.
 

GoFaster

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There is an escape clause in the "fix" which is akin to a lemon-law clause. The problem being described in this particular case sounds like an exhaust leak somewhere in the engine compartment, which ought not to be rocket science to repair.
 

jcreinman

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Wanted to post my experience with this fix. I had my 09 JSW MT fixed a week ago by North Park VW in San Antonio. Scheduled it without issue, and as soon as you mention "emissions" for the TDi they transfer you to a single person who is very knowledgeable, and knew how to override to allow for a loaner car. Anyway, dropped it off Monday morning, was able to pick my own loaner car from a list. They called me back late in the afternoon saying that they have to order the glowplug harness and would be in first thing in the morning. Sure enough, come Tues morning, they called at about 11 am to say I could pick up my car.

I have driven the car on a couple road trips already - approx 500 miles. I can tell no difference what so ever in the car. It does not sound any louder to me, and no difference in fuel mileage either. Seems to be going longer between regens.

I have no complaints so far. Surprisingly the dealer did a good job - does not seem like they messed anything up so far. This car never sees the dealer usually, and I only picked the dealership since I do sometimes by parts for my numerous VWs there.

I had no check engine lights or any codes before going in. I have also had only teeny tiny amount of soot in tailpipe, so no real DPF issues at all before.
 

josephbui

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They called me back late in the afternoon saying that they have to order the glowplug harness and would be in first thing in the morning.
Do you happen to know if the glow plug harness replacement was part of the emissions fix?
 

jcreinman

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Yes it was part of the emissions mods for 2009 only (I think only some 2009 depending on VIN?). I think it may actually be the glow plug module.
 

VW33

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I had a great experience and my car is running great. I hadnt registered for the modification but scheduled the appt, dealership said it was fine. I started the paperwork and brought the car in 2 days later- all that he needed was to make a call to unlock the code for my claim. Work was done in a couple hours. I've driven it a couple hundred miles and no performance issues- and no discernible drop in mpg's as yet. I finished the paperwork finalization and had the check delivered today. All done in a week. And then the dealership sends me another email that they might want to buy my car from me- it's in great condition. But I am really happy to keep my car-there are few enough manual transmissions in the states and most I don't want to drive. My car needs the a/c fixed but I have aguy for that and the restitution payment made it painless.
 

Wasserpest

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Dropped off my 2010 6MT yesterday morning, got a rental, and today at night they called saying I needed a new battery, without that they can't do anything. Didn't have any problems with my battery, smells like BS. Are they trying to sell me some stuff to sweeten the deal?
I am pissed off that they told me it was going to be done in two days and now after two days it looks like they haven't even started yet.
 

craigldavis

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How old is your battery? They really are only good for about 4 years. Lots of new batteries needed by people on the forum with the fix. Most have been older batteries anyway (3, 4, or 5 years old).

My battery tested bad at the auto parts store after the fix and lucky for me was a warranty replacement (just 1 warranty month left month at the parts store so I lucked out).

My guess is the process is stressful on the electrical system and a battery about to kick the bucket anyway simply needs to be replaced.

You get $5k or more and likely planning to Keep the car for a while if you’re getting the fix so why not spend the $100 on a fresh battery.
 

Wasserpest

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7 years. :eek:
I guess it is time to look for a replacement. Perhaps the now almost constant regenerations require it too! Do you have a suggestion for a replacement battery (besides OEM from the dealer)?

Just got the car back. Nothing really bad, a little hesitation perhaps. Wouldn't say that it is noticeably louder. We'll see about the mileage.
 

VW33

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Good to know- I have a 2010 but haven''t replaced the battery
yet. I did have a check engine light on for a couple months-
the obnoxious p2015. I was googling about and found the dieselgeek bracket that has saved drivers the cost of a new intake manifold.
My mechanic installed it and it's been great ever since.
I wasn't sure if VW would call me on it, but I do that particualr code a really crummy way to rip people off and I'm glad I found the alternative.
I was going to take it to VW to fix because I thought it was under extended warranty, but it is only for the gas models.
The dealership asked for the chance to be competitive when I realized it wasn't covered and I just had to laugh. $100 installed or 700-900 from the dealership? And I actually like my dealership.
But a CEL because a part has dropped millimeters beyond accepted position after being on the road 8 years. That's what makes me really mad.
How old is your battery? They really are only good for about 4 years. Lots of new batteries needed by people on the forum with the fix. Most have been older batteries anyway (3, 4, or 5 years old).

My battery tested bad at the auto parts store after the fix and lucky for me was a warranty replacement (just 1 warranty month left month at the parts store so I lucked out).

My guess is the process is stressful on the electrical system and a battery about to kick the bucket anyway simply needs to be replaced.

You get $5k or more and likely planning to Keep the car for a while if you’re getting the fix so why not spend the $100 on a fresh battery.
 

pebjr

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Had my 2009 TDI fixed now for a couple of weeks now and everything was going well until this afternoon when the CEL came on. The code is P2015. I have over 210K miles on it.
A couple of years ago, that code appeared and I installed the bracket from Diesel Geek and I haven't had any issues until today.
Is it possible that the emission fix had anything to do with this?
 
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