Etoile
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- Joined
- Mar 13, 2018
- Location
- NY
- TDI
- 2009 Sportwagen no longer 2011 Jetta Sportwagen 2015 TDI Golf Sportwagen all manual
Since this second phase fix has not yet been approved, we are somewhat in the dark as to how it will really affect the vehicles. European TDI owners (UK, Scandinavia, France) are very disatisfied with outcome of fix on their cars, to the point that a class action suit is in preliminary stages in UK for performance after the fix. True, their fix is different than ours because of different emissions requirements.
In the VW Court Settlement Emissions Disclosure Gen3 download it states:
If your car exceeds 40,000 miles (for automatic transmissions) or 70,000 miles (for manual transmissions) we will install updated emissions control system hardware - specifically a new Diesel Particulate Filter, Diesel Oxidation Catalyst, and Selective Catalytic Reduction Converter - that is needed to maintain emissions performance for the full useful life (150,000 miles) of your vehicle. As part of the Phase 2 modification, we will also install a second NOx sensor and corresponding software to improve the performance of the OBD system.
I was advised by a car expert in UK:
NOx has to be lower in the USA than in Europe. In the UK at least VAG has been forced by the threat of class actions to warrant the NOx fix against any consequential issues such as injector failure or sooted up EGRs. Injector failure because the fix imposes an extra cycle on the injectors meaning they have to work 50% harder and aren't always up to that in an older car.
Will we be covered by the warranty for injector failure?
How will life and performance of the vehicle be affected by two NOx sensors?
Us TDI owners and even gas VW's like to keep their cars for a long time. I see that the court settlement is referring to 150,000 miles as the full useful life of the vehicle.
Does that mean that VW predicts that these cars will perform differently than their product did in the past?
What are your thoughts on this Emissions Modification Phase 2?
Thanks so much
In the VW Court Settlement Emissions Disclosure Gen3 download it states:
If your car exceeds 40,000 miles (for automatic transmissions) or 70,000 miles (for manual transmissions) we will install updated emissions control system hardware - specifically a new Diesel Particulate Filter, Diesel Oxidation Catalyst, and Selective Catalytic Reduction Converter - that is needed to maintain emissions performance for the full useful life (150,000 miles) of your vehicle. As part of the Phase 2 modification, we will also install a second NOx sensor and corresponding software to improve the performance of the OBD system.
I was advised by a car expert in UK:
NOx has to be lower in the USA than in Europe. In the UK at least VAG has been forced by the threat of class actions to warrant the NOx fix against any consequential issues such as injector failure or sooted up EGRs. Injector failure because the fix imposes an extra cycle on the injectors meaning they have to work 50% harder and aren't always up to that in an older car.
Will we be covered by the warranty for injector failure?
How will life and performance of the vehicle be affected by two NOx sensors?
Us TDI owners and even gas VW's like to keep their cars for a long time. I see that the court settlement is referring to 150,000 miles as the full useful life of the vehicle.
Does that mean that VW predicts that these cars will perform differently than their product did in the past?
What are your thoughts on this Emissions Modification Phase 2?
Thanks so much