Ethanol emissions (I know it isn't diesel, but is emissions related!)

thenewguy

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I was listening to NPR on my way in to work a while back, and I remember hearing some scientists stating that the emissions from ethanol were actually potentially more harmful to people than the current gasoline emissions. Has anyone heard such a thing, or was I micro-napping and having a dream? Thanks.
 

DesertV10

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I've heard that as well. Plus if you use E85 your mileage drops 22-25% due to less energy efficiency so you end up burning more fuel over time and polluting more in general.
 

thenewguy

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Wonderful, another benefit for the corn lobby. Yee ha! Not only will they make my tortilla chips more expensive, they want to ruin everything else.
 

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DesertV10 said:
I've heard that as well. Plus if you use E85 your mileage drops 22-25% due to less energy efficiency so you end up burning more fuel over time and polluting more in general.
Burning E-75 in my car, I only lose 1mpg, dropping it to 30mpg. The number I see cited as a mileage drop percentage varies so wildly, from 15% to almost 40%, that I just say "screw it all" and did it myself.

If you're willing to have to burn premium those few times you need to fill up on straight gas, you can ramp up the compression a couple points and only lose a small fraction of the mpg.
 

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How does one modify their engine to have higher compression?
 

TurbinePower

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Bob_Fout said:
How does one modify their engine to have higher compression?
Usually it involves head cutting, but I have also seen compression increased by replacing the pistons, installing ones of the appropriate bore but a taller crown height. The latter is a "stronger" solution, since you aren't cutting anything, but has the disadvantage of adding weight to the rotating mass.


We had a high compression 1200cc beetle engine that was doing in the 30s on straight ethanol before it was wrecked.
 

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thenewguy said:
I was listening to NPR on my way in to work a while back, and I remember hearing some scientists stating that the emissions from ethanol were actually potentially more harmful to people than the current gasoline emissions. Has anyone heard such a thing, or was I micro-napping and having a dream? Thanks.
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2007/04/study_nationwid.html



[FONT=&quot]Study: Nationwide E85 Use Could Worsen Public Health[/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]Fleet-wide use of E85 in the United States could increase the number of respiratory-related deaths and hospitalizations, according to a new study by Stanford University professor Mark Jacobson. His findings are published online in the journal Environmental Science & Technology (ES&T).[/FONT]
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Jacobson combined an air pollution/weather forecast model with future emission inventories, population data, and health effects data to examine the effect of converting from gasoline to E85 on cancer, mortality, and hospitalization in the US as a whole and Los Angeles in particular.
After accounting for projected improvements in gasoline and E85 vehicle emission controls, the study found that E85 may increase ozone-related mortality, hospitalization, and asthma by about 9% in Los Angeles (120 deaths/year with a range of 47-140/yr) and 4% in the US as a whole (185 deaths/yr with a range of 72-216/yr) relative to 100% gasoline.[/FONT]
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E85 also increased hospitalization by about 650 and 990 in Los Angeles and the US, respectively, and asthma-related emergency-room visits by about 770 and 1,200 in Los Angeles and the US, respectively. [/FONT]
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While the simulations found that E85 vehicles reduced atmospheric levels of benzene and butadiene—two carcinogens—compared to gasoline vehicles, the E85 vehicles increased levels of formaldehyde and acetaldehyde—two other carcinogens. As a result, cancer rates for E85 are likely to be similar to those for gasoline.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Due to its ozone effects, future E85 may be a greater overall public health risk than gasoline. However, because of the uncertainty in future emission regulations, it can be concluded with confidence only that E85 is unlikely to improve air quality over future gasoline vehicles. Unburned ethanol emissions from E85 may result in a global-scale source of acetaldehyde larger than that of direct emissions.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]The projected health effects of E85 would be the same regardless of feedstock or process.[/FONT]
 

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…"Ethanol in gasoline increases its Reid Vapor Pressure," Lawson told me, "so there are more evaporative emissions of ozone-forming VOCs (volatile organic compounds). Ethanol in gasoline also increases a type of evaporative emissions called permeation emissions, which escape through soft fuel system components such as plastic fuel tanks, hoses, and seals. In addition, ethanol in gasoline increases acetaldehyde emissions, which are toxic and a powerful ozone producer.

"In my opinion, ethanol in gasoline . . . actually increases ozone in the Front Range area."…

http://insidedenver.com/drmn/opinion_columnists/article/0,2777,DRMN_23972_4345268,00.html
("The Problem With Ethanol")
 
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