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Old June 10th, 2016, 10:57   #16
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Lol excellent response/username correlation......man
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Old June 10th, 2016, 11:24   #17
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Old June 10th, 2016, 11:35   #18
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Going from worn to new tires will always lose millage at first.

Worn tires are GREAT for MPG.... bad for turning, stopping, starting.

New tires, are heavier and therefore .. less MPG. Guess about 1% loss in MPG.

New tires, have more traction and rolling resistance..less MPG (but better handling).
I will guess this can be 2% drop in MPG.

New tires, larger diameter, so your indicated miles is less than actual miles.
Your computer or your odometer will be off. You will travel more than indicated.
Don't laugh if a new typical tire has 10/32" tread new, 2/32" old, replaced, that
is 8/32nd difference. The diameter would change total of 16/32"... or 1/2" inch.
225/45-17 has 24.972" diameter. Shave half inch off, that is 24.472. That is
2% alone, but this is more error in mileage measurement than actual loss of
performance.

Add more tire weight and traction/rolling resistance, you can see drop of 3%-5%
calculated MPG is normal. Except a full 2 mpg at least as normal.

The Pro is safety, far better handling, breaking, wet weather traction.
Also depends on the tires you choose...

Going from a tire like the stock OEM ProContacts to a more performance oriented tire like the A/S3+ you'll loose a 2-3mpg in favor of much improved handling and traction.

I personally went with the V rated Continental PureContact with Eco+ from the stock ProContacts. I think I actually gained .5-1mpg over the stock tires.
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Old June 10th, 2016, 12:31   #19
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Awesome tires. I have about 2000 km's on mine now. I can only break traction in 1st gear in the dry, with full stage 2. In the rain they have amazing traction as well. I have not experienced any slippage with spirited driving around corners as well.

These tires have totally transformed the car, coming from the stock hankooks(garbage). I couldn't be happier, now I just hope they last.
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Old July 14th, 2016, 13:20   #20
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5000 mile update

Rotated F-->B last night.

Here are the stats first before I do any talking.

-Miles on tires- 5,016

-Tread depth- Overall avg I would say is 9/32nds....maybe slightly less.

I measured on 4 spots across each tire. Imagine you are looking at the car from above.


LF- 8/32, 9/32, 9/32, 8/32 RF- 8/32, 8/32, 9/32, 9/32


LR- 9/32, 9/32, 9/32, 8/32 RR- 8/32, 9/32, 9/32, 9/32


At this point I'm still loving the tires. 3k miles of the 5k was with the car fully loaded with a roof box.

I did Tail of the Dragon and while I didn't really attack the curves because of how loaded the car was (and I had my wife and 1yr old in the car) I can say that they didn't even hint at losing grip at all during the 11 mile run. I was very impressed.

Here is a pic during that run...notice how the car looks lowered with all the weight and the fact I was going through a semi-tight righthander.

TDI on Tail of the Dragon1 by DerekG710, on Flickr

TDI on Tail of the Dragon2 by DerekG710, on Flickr

Now on to some pics of the tires as of 1 hour ago.


ORG_DSC05345 by DerekG710, on Flickr

ORG_DSC05349 by DerekG710, on Flickr

ORG_DSC05352 by DerekG710, on Flickr

ORG_DSC05354 by DerekG710, on Flickr

Overall I'm very pleased with them. The next update at 10k should be pretty interesting. Over the next 5k miles, 3k of them will be while towing my camper across TX, NM, and CO. Going to Durango/Ouray/Pikes Peak and a few other places next month followed by a trip to Palo Duro Canyon for fall break.

I didn't experience any weird camber wear on the stock conti's which had about 6k miles of towing on them. I'm attributing that mainly to the car/alignment more than the tire itself, but this should be a good test to see how the Michelin's hold up under these more stressful conditions and if I do see drastically accelerated wear or not.

Thanks for reading!
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Old July 14th, 2016, 14:14   #21
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even with the 5k interval, you are rotating front--back?

I have seen some discussion of including side to side moves in the rotation.

(good move to record each tread across the tire....)
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Old July 14th, 2016, 15:09   #22
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even with the 5k interval, you are rotating front--back?

I have seen some discussion of including side to side moves in the rotation.

(good move to record each tread across the tire....)
I think I was in on that discussion as well....or one very similar a few weeks back.

I'm starting front to back. At 10k I'll do a cross rotation and at 15k front to back again. On the 20k rotation i'll do another cross which should put the tires back where they started and then I'll cycle again as needed.
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Old October 19th, 2016, 07:53   #23
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10,000 mile update

-Cross Rotated LF->RR and RF->LR

-Miles on tires- ~10,0xx

-Avg Tread Depth- 7/32

Just like before I measured 4 spots across each tire from the outside to the inside.

LF- 7/32 7/32 7/32 6/32 RF- 6/32 7/32 7/32 7/32

LR- 7/32 7/32 7/32 6/32 RR- 6/32 7/32 7/32 7/32

So overall they are pretty even with some slight camber wear, but it seems to be minimal, consistent, and expected. I'm happy to see that the rears didn't wear more than the fronts after 2500 miles of towing my camper on this rotation.

I did have one "panic stop" the other day (not while towing) and they made me feel really safe. The ABS didn't intervene and I had the pedal mostly planted to the floor.

I won't really comment on performance as they are still living up to the hype and I don't have any complaints as of today. They are still reasonably quiet for a UHP all-season....not as quiet as the Conti Extreme Contacts on my 545i, but they definitely handle better.

few pics as they sit now..

ORG_DSC07020 by DerekG710, on Flickr

ORG_DSC07019 by DerekG710, on Flickr

ORG_DSC07023 by DerekG710, on Flickr

Thanks for reading! See you at 15k!
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Old October 19th, 2016, 08:19   #24
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Thanks for the update! So far my BFG G-Force Comp 2 A/S are at about the same depth at the same mileage. However they can only be rotated front to rear as they are directional. I'm intrigued to see how yours compare with cross rotation to my F/R only rotation.

I'm not sure what the climate is like in OK during the winter. Will you be swapping to winter/snow tires?

And to go along with your post from July - took the GF to the Skyline Dr last weekend. The fall colors were amazing and bathed in the golden hour light made for some great photos. I bought the Shenandoah annual pass and will definitely be putting some road trip miles on these tires.
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Old October 19th, 2016, 10:26   #25
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Awesome! Glad to hear they are holding up. I really wanted to have a multi-directional tire just so I could fully rotate them.

Winters here are pretty mild. Definitely not enough snow/ice to justify snow tires. Last winter it didn't snow even once lol. That is uncharacteristic though...we usually have 3-8 periods of snow during the winter, but still not enough to get dedicated snow tires.

We do have many days below 40F which is one reason I chose the A/S 3+ over the Super Sport.
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Old October 20th, 2016, 07:51   #26
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I am just about to replace my old Michelin Primacy MX4's for new Michelin Pilot Sport A/S +3, 94Y.....

I got a great deal from Discount Tire on line. Free shipping. $70 sale price off that. Also if you apply and pay for the tires with a Discount Tire credit card another $50 off. I ended up paying. 680-70-50 = 560 for 4 or $135/each. The installation is about $16 each + a few bucks extra if they dispose of them. That includes free rotation and balance for the life of the tires.

My old tires still have 3.5/32 on average (less on the side treads). It is not down to wear bars (2/32), but the shoulder treads are worn down to 2/32 or less. The wear bars are only on the middle grooves. Total time/miles on the MXM3's, a tad over 4 years and 42K miles. If it were spring and dry season I'd drive them another 6K miles. However it is getting wet. Our first gulley washer after a big dry spell I could tell it was hydro planning where water had pooled on the freeway. However last week and the motivation to change them a little early, 3 drywall screws in my tire, two full depth and one partial. Of the 3 one was near the shoulder.

This one tire had two previous plugs from early in it's life. It then had three more deep punctures last week. Tire shop would not fix the one in the shoulder or the other two because of that shoulder puncture. Don't blame them, liability. I saw a YOUTUBE video of a plug almost exactly like mine (#1 plug in picture below) done on a Michelin, rolling a Honda. His video showed it was still going strong at 21 months. His was even further out and bulging the side will slightly. So instead of driving on my spare and seeing the TPMS warning, I fixed it myself with a $3 Harbor Freight 5 plug kit. In the process of repairing it, I found two small punctures that were leaking a whisper, not even enough to plug. I hate plugs, internal patches are best. However on these old tires that are almost worn out, temp repair, they have been working great. Holding pressure, lost about 0.3 psi in 5 days may be.

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Yikes. Time to pick all those nails up off your driveway.
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Old October 23rd, 2016, 11:02   #28
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I know... anyway it is all for the best. I have the new Pilot Sports A/S 3+
installed two days ago. I'm going to avoid a side street where they are
doing construction.

OP is looking at mileage. It depends on how you drive, but I expect 40-50K,
like my MXM4's. These are performance tires and have kind of soft compound.
However the question is do you really want to drive to the 2/32" limit.

Your wet traction takes a big hit at less than 4/32". I had about 42K on my
MXM4's and could have milked another 5-6K of them, down to the wear bar.
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I'd say 50k would be stretch, but if most of your driving is highway it should be doable. At the rate I'm going I'll be at ~4-5/32 at the 20k mile mark. I was hoping for 30k-35k so we'll see.
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I'd say 50k would be stretch, but if most of your driving is highway it should be doable. At the rate I'm going I'll be at ~4-5/32 at the 20k mile mark. I was hoping for 30k-35k so we'll see.
Yes I agree. I was talking about the Primacy MXM4's I had... They went 42K. As I say if willing to drive it to the wear bars it might have made 50K. Safe? Not really.

From what I read the Pilot Sport A/S 3+ might be softer and only have a 40K warranty, which is less than many Michelins with 50K. So about 5K to 10K less miles than warranty is about right....
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