bluesmoker
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http://www.autos.ca/car-test-drives/test-drive-2012-volkswagen-touareg-tdi
too bad that I can't afford one
too bad that I can't afford one
^^^ be glad you cannot afford one.
Why what's wrong with them?^^^ be glad you cannot afford one.
unless you really enjoy buying tires and brakes as a hobby, you do not want one.ouch, rub it in,,lol
They are not that horrible, I am on my second one and brakes are not that big of an issue. Tires can be because it is an AWD vehicle that is heavy which puts more strain on the tires.unless you really enjoy buying tires and brakes as a hobby, you do not want one.
No kidding. And half the people that THINK they can, can't. Tires and brakes, over and over and over. Expensive vehicle to operate. And not really all that nice, IMHO. For the same money, I'd MUCH rather have an Audi A6. Too bad we cannot get the TDI versions. I'll reserve my opinion for the 4-chained V6 until I see one with 150k miles.^^^ be glad you cannot afford one.
Just comes down to your own needs, I guess. The Touareg and A6 aren't exactly comparable vehicles. You can't even get an A6 wagon right now.I'd MUCH rather have an Audi A6. Too bad we cannot get the TDI versions. I'll reserve my opinion for the 4-chained V6 until I see one with 150k miles.
Me too. The TDI Tig is going to generate a lot of interest (we just have to wait for the updated model).The amount of money they want for Touraeg is ridiculous, I would rather like a Tiguan with a 2.0L TDI...
Except for the size, I'd agree. Underneath it's still a Jetta. I started with a long list of European 5 passenger SUVs, and quickly crossed all the compacts off the list (Tiguan, Audi Q5, BMW X3, Mercedes GLK, Volvo XC60, et cetera). The interiors were too confining, it felt like driving around in a phone booth. And to stay diesel, I had to step up to the Touareg, the BMW X5, or the Mercedes M-class. Of those, Touareg had the best fuel economy, the best towing capacity, 3 yrs free service/maintenance, and - best of all - the lowest price.The TDI Tig is going to generate a lot of interest .
I would agree, but i think folks that have had mid sized SUV's and small cars might have had a better perspective. Some of this is totally logical, the Touareg weighs 4974 #'s. the Jetta TDI is 2,950 to 3,200#s. To expect same to similar wear rates is from dreaming to unrealistic. So with the the Tiquan being a jacked up weightier Jetta, I would anticipate the wear schedules to be closer to a small crossover SUV than the Jetta sedan.Tiguan in no way compares to a Touareg. If you have never driven a Treg let alone a TDI version, you will never get it. Tire wear and brakes are not as big a deal as everyone makes it out to be. It is a heavy AWD vehical and it will wear tears. My tire shop told me the Touareg is not unique in this matter a far as tire wear. They said they see it with just about ever AWD vehical.
My first Treg was an 04 V6 which gave me no problems what so ever and I was the second owner on it. It had almost 70K when I got rid of it. Reason I got rid of it was to purchase the current one which is a TDI w/ air suspension. Only issue I have had so far was the water pump seal which was common with all the 3.0 motors regardless if it was VW or Audi. I will be holding on to my current Treg for a very long time since the new ones are nothing more then a softroad crossover now with no air suspension or 4Xmotion, or at least no longer available to us here in NA.
+1Except for the size, I'd agree. Underneath it's still a Jetta. I started with a long list of European 5 passenger SUVs, and quickly crossed all the compacts off the list (Tiguan, Audi Q5, BMW X3, Mercedes GLK, Volvo XC60, et cetera). The interiors were too confining, it felt like driving around in a phone booth. And to stay diesel, I had to step up to the Touareg, the BMW X5, or the Mercedes M-class. Of those, Touareg had the best fuel economy, the best towing capacity, 3 yrs free service/maintenance, and - best of all - the lowest price.
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Thing is this motor is not brand new and has been available ROW way before we got it here. Only real addition to it has been we got the adblue system whereas ROW had not until recently. I have yet to read any complaints from people that have been running it for a lot longer then us with chain issues. We see every sort of complaint on Club Touareg and I have yet to read about that issue at all.As per Oilhammer's post, add me to the list of interested in the results of a 2012 3.0 L 4 chain TDI with 150,000 and hopefully PLUS miles on it !! I am looking to the Touareg for a longer haul.
Then that has to be both good news and hopefully the engine put in my specific VW Touareg is (statistically) a middle most AVERAGE engine or,.... BETTER !Thing is this motor is not brand new and has been available ROW way before we got it here. Only real addition to it has been we got the adblue system whereas ROW had not until recently. I have yet to read any complaints from people that have been running it for a lot longer then us with chain issues. We see every sort of complaint on Club Touareg and I have yet to read about that issue at all.
Only real complaints I have seen so far is the water pump issue and the adblue system. The adblue system has been problematic since introduced, but once replacements/repairs have been done, no complaints. This is based off all info I have seen so far on Club Touareg.Then that has to be both good news and hopefully the engine put in my specific VW Touareg is (statistically) a middle most AVERAGE engine or,.... BETTER !
Indeed on another web site a host posted a reference that the AVERAGE mileage per year for Europeans was 9,000 (not kms) vs 12,000 to 15,000 miles AVERAGE for Americans, or 33% to 67% more. In addition, car ownership is a much costlier proposition even as the Europeans own slightly more passenger vehicles than the USA @ 270 M vs 260 M.The 'RoW' does not pile on the miles like we do, and that engine is not a super fast seller in other models until just recently, and even then it is usually found in bigger Audi sedans more commonly.
It seems higher fuel prices, closer cities, and far superior passenger rail systems mean folks in Europe don't often see 1/4 million miles on a 5 year old car like we do.
Aussie members are putting miles on them since their main cities are so far apart and they travel a lot to get from one to the other. No complaints at all from any of those members. I also know they are using their Tregs offroad as well to play in the Outback. I personally am not worried about it, but then I don't put many miles on a vehical ever. I have a 10 I bought new in 09 and only have 23K on it, but drive it daily. I just don't drive long drives other then when I moved from UT to PA and did that drive on 3 separate occassions.The 'RoW' does not pile on the miles like we do, and that engine is not a super fast seller in other models until just recently, and even then it is usually found in bigger Audi sedans more commonly.
It seems higher fuel prices, closer cities, and far superior passenger rail systems mean folks in Europe don't often see 1/4 million miles on a 5 year old car like we do.
Don't forget that the Mercedes GL (and M class)? are also legally 'light trucks' for EPA certification purposes. I don't know if enough of the CDI power plants on these (and the E class) have been sold to change the statistics much but it would be wrong to ignore them. The CDI engines appeared on the SUVs in 2007 and on the E-class a couple of years earlier.I think that sooner or later most Americans, either subliminally to objectively start to realize they pay more PER MILE DRIVEN than Europeans. DOING something about it is a whole different issue.
I was (anecdotally) one of those who bought a TDI in 2003 to cut down on the per mile driven costs, as I knew we would do app 25,000 miles per year, albeit 50 mpg (EPA 42/49).
Since owners of TDI passenger vehicles have always been in (literally) an extreme minority, the shift has been slow. The background of this is that 5% of the so called passenger vehicle fleet are diesels. Of that, app 50-60% are so called "light trucks". This is of course meaning , i.e., a Ford F 250 to F 350 turbo diesel being a light truck. In 2003 the passenger diesel percentage was 2% with 75% being so called light trucks.
No, the MB "light trucks" are neither ignored or forgotten. Defacto, they are counted as such. They are however a minority group within an EXTREMELY small minority group. So the (now) 5% of the passenger diesel fleet has always included them. PVF counts change of course from year to year. The year to year figures are normally expressed 1 to 3 years in arrears. So for example, the CURRENT PVF (passenger vehicle fleet is @ 258.9 M (as I remember 2009 NHTSA statistics) registered passenger vehicles would put 5% @ 12.945 M diesel vehicles. http://www-fars.nhtsa.dot.gov Given 50-60% diesel light trucks (6.473 M to 7.767 M) the left over percentage is more like 6.473 to 5.178 M diesel cars. Diesel cars in this country are truly an extreme minority group @ most 2.5%.Don't forget that the Mercedes GL (and M class)? are also legally 'light trucks' for EPA certification purposes. I don't know if enough of the CDI power plants on these (and the E class) have been sold to change the statistics much but it would be wrong to ignore them. The CDI engines appeared on the SUVs in 2007 and on the E-class a couple of years earlier.