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Has Hell just frozen over?!Frank M said:I will be making the swicth to Amsoil for the PD...
Has Hell just frozen over?!Frank M said:I will be making the swicth to Amsoil for the PD...
Ok, I get it. I can use 507 oil in my new 2006 PD engine. But will it do me any good? Will it make my engine last longer? 507 is engineered for the new EURO IV engines and to prolong the life of the DPF. But I haven't got a EURO IV engine or a DPF. Do I really need this stuff? I can get a case of 18 liters of ELF SOLARIS LLX 5W30 (504.00 / 507.00) for $186 postpaid which is considerably more than a case of Pentosynth 505.01. Is it worth it in terms of engine life or are the extra cost and features to protect a DPF that I haven't got?dieseldorf said:self-explanatory:
thanks to nortones2 for sharing this info
After reading this entire thread the only subject that has not been covered is a discussion on grandchildren.Dennis P Roth said:Would I be paying up for qualities I don't need and can't use? Is 507.00 spec worth it?
Dennis P Roth said:Will it make my engine last longer? Is 507.00 spec worth it?
Thank you for making that clear. I came to the same conclusion a couple of days ago and got Pentosynth 505.01 for my next oil change. I will continue to use Pentosynth 505.01 or other 505.01 oils until there is a demonstrably better motor oil for long trouble free engine life.dieseldorf said:there are no VWs in NAmerica that require this oil at this time. PERIOD.
Corvette z06 ohv. Car and Driver did an article on why Chevy stil used OHV for there vettes a couple of years ago.Dan_Ruddock said:I have a lot of respect for what VW has done for diesels I own one but some things could use improvement. AS far as ohc engines they are a vast improvement over pushrods in gas engines or a diesel with vtec or multivalve. Just because something is old or not high tech does not mean it's bad. In some applacations it might be perfect for the job. You have to think out side of the box. Dan
Not to bring up 60-yr-old history (ethnically Im 7/8th German and am proudly and unflinchingly a German-ophile), the nation DOES have a nasty habit of overenginerring. The Luger is a magnificent handgun, but with 78 parts, its a bear to repair. The Tiger and King Tiger tanks were incredibly capable, but complex and expensive to build, and could not be built in sufficient quantities. The Russians, with their T-series, could and did produce tanks in the thousands, and won the war in the East. Same for the Sherman tank - inferior in all respects to the German tanks, but could be mass-produced. Russian machine guns could, and did, operate when handfuls of dirt were tossed in the mechanisms, German machine guns were prone to jamming since the tolerenances were so tight. Wonderfully accurate, but all the accuracy in the world doesnt count for much when you need a bang and get a click.just think Dan, do you really want to live in a world where engine and emissions developments are limited by the oils on the shelves of Wal-Mart?
Having had a 62 and 63 beetle ( {1963} one in which I put a 1959 engine purchased from a junk yard for 26.00 ) and a 70 hmmm maybe 71 convertible beetle, I can say they were very little trouble and ran and ran. I think my 62 ran the best. Wish I had it now as it was a hoot to drive. Although, here in So. Florida, I wouldn't drive it to much as it had no A/C. The view from my 05.5 Jetta reminds me of the old beetles as you hardly saw the hood in front of you.shaark92 said:Wasn't VW originally created to design basic transportation for "the people?"
I'm not a Volkswagen affcionado (though I do like my Jetta) ... so I could be in error. But this is what I've heard from a buddy who thought his 60-some-odd year Beetle was the greatest thing since sliced bread.
From all the constant work he had to do to it ... I guess so ... for an auto repair shop.
Al Out
Volkswagen = "People's Car"shaark92 said:Wasn't VW originally created to design basic transportation for "the people?
Not to be a smart-alec, but (OK, I can't help it) ... Sorry - I work part of the time in the field of reliability engineering, and we have a very old saying:Dan_Ruddock said:Nonsense! Cars should be designed to be able to run oil off the local parts store shelf or in other words be idiot proof. ... (SNIP)
TDIfor said:From what I understand, diesels are far more prevelant in cars in Europe than the US. Mainly due to the way fuel is taxed, if I am correct.
TDIs are a specialty car, and it takes a person willing to be involved with the technology to keep the beast running correctly. And, as an automotive experiment, it is marvelous.
Alas, people in the US want appliance cars, that are traded in ev. 3 years before the warranty runs out. So, in this environment, is there a role for TDIs in the US?
Certainly, the fueling options of biodiesel is a big sell right now, and if VW can keep the TDI interest up, that may be the way to get mainstream adoption. But the country seems to be trying to move to ethanol and largely ignoring the "clean diesel" movement as an oxymoron.
And it is interesting that in the VW ads Ive seen, the TDI is _never_ featured. You have to be aware VW has diesels, but they are not marketed.
So, we are, all of us, on this marvelous voyage of discovery. Wonder where we will end up??
Don
It sounds like you are talking about the Yugo. I remember the first review I read about the Yugo in Popular Mechanics and that was the big selling point - Idiot proof and easy to fix.Dan_Ruddock said:Nonsense! Cars should be designed to be able to run oil off the local parts store shelf or in other words be idiot proof.
Don't they have a vested interest in saying every 3000 miles? Doesn't [SIZE=-1]Pennzoil own Jiffy Lube International? Mo Money! Mo Money!wny_pat said:Worse part about it is that many US independent garages are still recommending 3,000 mile oil changes! API and the Auto Makers just are not getting the message out there, and they are still lagging behind.
The Europeans are running the longer OCIs with fluids built to run those intervals in those vehicles - and they have something like 25 gas and 25 diesel specs to select from. In the US, with our minimum-standard one-size-fits-all-GM/Chrysler/Ford gassers for 6 months or 7500 miles of normal service interval, we're in a significantly different situation.wny_pat said:Now back to the proper topic. The europeans are far ahead of us on the oil issues. All you have to do is look at the oils being recommended by the US Auto Makers today compared to what they were recommending less than 10 years ago. 0w30 and 5w30 engery saving oils. Europe already had those oils. I remember in 2000 when Ford was recommending 5w30 in their 4 cyl Ztec engine and suddenly in 2001 it was recommending 0w30. They found out the 0w30 was better. When the US Auto Makers started recommending the 6,000 and 7,000 mile oil change intervals, the Europeans were recommending 12,000 mile oil change intervals. Worse part about it is that many US independent garages are still recommending 3,000 mile oil changes! API and the Auto Makers just are not getting the message out there, and they are still lagging behind.
-Charm said:was close to breaking from my mechanics' warnings and get Elf CRV oil, common its oem in the V10 TDI!
Charm, why not look at FULL TECH from ELF for your ALH engine? It's a thick (higher HT/HS) 0W30 and is listed in the "energy conserving" line up from ELF. It will be less $$ than the Solaris and is suitable for extended drain. Oh, it meets 505.00 and many other contemporary OE specsCharm said:But I keep getting drawn to these exotic european oils. some people think the 0W-30 are too thin, especially for summer. I was close to breaking from my mechanics' warnings and get Elf CRV oil, common its oem in the V10 TDI!
I just posted a UOA with Elf 507 in my ALH. Wasn't too great and I doubt a lot can be learned from it since I did a TB change and some engine work right at the end of the interval which probably screwed it up. This was the very first use of all synthetic after the car had been run on Shell Rotella T for 69k miles.Charm said:sorry to get back on topic, but has anyone tested and concluded on the 507 oil?