NPR Report on Diesels in America

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Heard an interesting article on NPR yesterday morning talking about high-mileage/diesel vehicles in America. Glad to see that there is more attention being paid to this, and that it stirs discussion.

http://www.npr.org/2014/04/14/302858842/more-high-mileage-cars-travel-to-u-s-market

KELLY MCEVERS, HOST:
A new wave of high-mileage cars is making its way to the U.S. market. Cars that get up to 50 mile a gallon have already been on sale in Europe and elsewhere for years. High mileage versions of cars we already know, like the Ford Focus and the Volkswagen Passat.
Reporter Steve Tripoli went to find out why it has taken these cars so long to make it to American showrooms.

STEVE TRIPOLI, BYLINE: A one-time drag strip in rural Connecticut is now Consumer Reports magazine's Auto Test Center. On a bright, chilly day, head auto tester Jake Fisher is putting a luxurious Audi A7 through its paces.

JAKE FISHER: Have to hold on for a little bit here and we'll go. Or we take a car safely up to the maximum cornering.
(SOUNDBITE OF CAR SCREECHING)

TRIPOLI: Fisher says this diesel version of the A7 is getting about 30 miles a gallon overall, impressive for its class.

FISHER: This is a big car, this is a heavy car, and it's giving fuel economy basically that you get in a Chevy Cruze, a small car.

TRIPOLI: Consumer Reports' garage is full of high-mileage cars to test. A hybrid Honda Accord, a Ford C-Max plug-in, a VW Jetta that combines hybrid power and turbocharging, plus and a BMW 3-series with a small diesel engine.
They're all new to American buyers, but about half the cars in this garage have been available elsewhere for some time. Why haven't domestic buyers seen them?

PHIL GOTT: They don't sell, bottom line.

TRIPOLI: Phil Gott is an industry analyst with IHS Automotive. Gott says Americans often say they want high mileage. But they also want more performance.

GOTT: So, the consumer, they would really like their cake and eat it too.

TRIPOLI: Europe's models often feature engines that shut down at stoplights, sleek aerodynamics, and high-mileage tires as well as advanced engines. When Americans see that price tag, mileage often takes a back seat. So carmakers hold back on bringing them here.
But that's changing. Phil Gott, Consumer Reports' Jake Fisher and carmakers themselves say buyers are choosing differently with gas prices in today's $3.50 to $4 range. In Europe, gas and diesel prices running from $7 to $9 a gallon made high-mileage options attractive long ago.
The equation's changing here for two reasons, says Volkswagen of America's Doug Skorupski.

DOUG SKORUPSKI: One, the U.S. customer is asking for higher-mileage vehicles, and that's partly due to the increased fuel prices that we have, and also just as importantly, is the greenhouse gas emission regulations and CAFE requirements that we have to comply with.
TRIPOLI: Rising environmental concerns reflected in the Environmental Protection Agency's CAFE mileage standards are driving change and becoming as much a factor as cost savings for some buyers.
Industry analyst Phil Gott says if the government is serious about the CAFE goals of cutting pollution and oil consumption, mandating higher-mileage cars alone won't do the job.

GOTT: You know, one of the things that we keep saying is one of the simplest things to do to get people to become more fuel conscious, in both their driving habits as well as their choices of vehicles, is to raise the price of fuel through fuel taxes.

TRIPOLI: Proposals to raise fuel taxes have come from across the political spectrum, but none have garnered enough support.
A final factor fueling America's move toward mileage is diesel engines. In Europe, more than half of all new cars sold have them. In the U.S., it's less than 5 percent.
The reasons are complicated. Diesel fuel costs less in Europe than gas but costs more here. A diesel can offset that extra cost through better mileage and environmentally, some diesels can be better at reducing greenhouse gas pollution.
Now more diesels are meeting the EPA's pollution rules. And that, says Jeff Breneman of the U.S. Coalition for Advanced Diesel Cars, means more carmakers can start bringing in diesels to meet their EPA mileage mandates.

JEFF BRENEMAN: So, most of the automotive forecasters are predicting that the diesel market share in the U.S. is going to continue to rise, most think to about 10 percent by 2020.

TRIPOLI: Some models top that already. Volkswagen says fully 30 percent of U.S. buyers for its large Passat sedan are choosing diesel. That shouldn't come as a surprise, since Consumer Reports tests show the Passat's four-cylinder diesel getting 50 miles a gallon on the highway.
 

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nice to see positive news reporting on diesels, especially from a liberal organization like NPR.
Not to mention it's basically free advertising to VW since they sell most of the diesel cars available in the U.S.
 

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i love surprising people by telling them the 12yr old technology in my 2002 Jetta with a lot of mods to it gets me 44mpg per tank.
 

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He would be shocked if he knew the percentage of Jetta Sportwagens that are diesel, about 80% last I heard.
 

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Not sure it's that high. Last I saw was about a 60% take rate for diesel wagens.

Great positive article without any of the past history remarks.
 

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He would be shocked if he knew the percentage of Jetta Sportwagens that are diesel, about 80% last I heard.
Not sure it's that high. Last I saw was about a 60% take rate for diesel wagens.

Great positive article without any of the past history remarks.
I knew it had to be a high percentage. I don't think I've seen a gasser JSW roaming around here in the metro, except for the loaner I got from a dealer one time that had the 2.5.
 

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Think Tdi to gas ratio will change with the new engines. Never liked the 2.5. With new gasser engines, its likely to get closer to 50/50.
 

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I enjoy the 2.5 I-5. Wife's 09 Jetta 5 spd SE with the 2.5 gets an easy 30+ on the highway and mid 20's in her stop and go driving for work (she spends a lot of her work day driving all over town). It's not quite as efficient as my older 1.8T Passat, but the naturally aspirated power band feels great and smooth.
 

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Great positive article without any of the past history remarks.
+1

All they have to do next time to take the discussion further is mention that diesels outlast their gasoline counterparts by at least twice.
 

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The more positive press about diesels the better.For example,I'd really like to see GM do well with the Chevy Cruze...but I haven't seen any stats.Sadly,when I asked one of the BMW people at last month's NY Auto show how their new 328d was doing he said,sheepishly,"not that well".
 

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Actually that's good news, for us. If the 328d isn't selling well, then maybe there will be a decent discount next fall.
 

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I like the VW Passat stuff at the end of the interview. The emphasis seems to be high mileage cars of all flavor (hybrid, and gassers too) that have been available in Europe for a long time because fuel prices are twice as much as they are here.

The point is well made that the price of fuel is the main reason why they (high mileage vehicles) sell in Europe, and not here. And new fuel taxes to support the appearance of higher mileage cars? The US appears to be heading down a path where all infrastructure like roads continue to erode, and no elected official can ask us to pay for fixing it (and expect to stay in office!). It's going in the other direction.

Price point of fuel and such all true enough. But the A7 is a pretty limited market segment! Not exactly oriented towards economy.

The article mentions improved lower emissions of greenhouse gasses. That's great, but about 40% of Americans will avoid anything that makes that claim because they are global warming skeptics (maybe down to below 30% by now!). One of my neighbors (owns only V8 motors) was astonished that I could wipe a tissue in my exhaust and have it come out clean, but he was much more impressed with the torque and my Fuelly records. It's all about money for most people.

No mention about the torque that makes an impression when folks drive new Turbo diesels (I just drool about the fantasy of buying a used twin Turbo BMW 335d)...But the fact that the 50mpg number is mentioned in the last comments in the context of the Passat is definitely free publicity for VW. It's the last few words that sink in!
 
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