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Old August 23rd, 2018, 22:08   #31
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You 'lectric car fanboys have forgotten how little power a solar array puts out and how much it takes to charge an electric dependent car. Real cost of solar is around $15/watt after figuring capacity factor, so the typical "sized to the tax write off" home system will give you about a kilowatt. That means after a couple days of sunny weather you'll manage a recharge, assuming your solar array survived. Takes a TDI owner about 10 minutes to pour a couple of 5 gallon cans of diesel in the tank and we're good for another 400 miles!
With a good pro install that's ~$0.065/kWh over 20 years on average. Since an EV gets >3 miles/kWh that's <$0.022/mile. If you're crafty you can DIY your solar array and save >60% lowering the cost per mile to <$0.01/mile; An ICE getting ~50mpg with diesel at $3/gal is ~$0.06/mile. Pretty much no matter how you slice it a solar powered EV is significantly cheaper to fuel than a diesel powered TDI...

For daily charging speed is irrelevant. I've only pulled into my driveway with <20% battery a handful of times. Plug in daily and don't worry My 10.7kW array produces ~45kWh/day so I'll be set for whatever I need...

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Old August 24th, 2018, 06:22   #32
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...Since an EV gets >3 miles/kWh that's <$0.022/mile.... An ICE getting ~50mpg with diesel at $3/gal is ~$0.06/mile. Pretty much no matter how you slice it a solar powered EV is significantly cheaper to fuel than a diesel powered TDI...
Our Passat cost about $0.08/mile. Because our super cheap off peak electricity it costs about $0.02/mile to drive the Fiat and $0.03 to drive the ELR.

And like you said... the electron tank fills up while we sleep, and is ready when we leave in the morning The ELR has a "be charged by" feature, so it will finish about 45 minutes before I head out for work.

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Old August 24th, 2018, 07:44   #33
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You're really just revealing your ignorance regarding photovoltaic systems. They come in all sizes and capacities. Their up front costs get amortized over a useful life of 25+ years. The og tdi crowd was all about efficiency. Hard to beat the efficiency of photovoltaics and EV's. Like it or not, it's the future.
I couldn't agree more. Well said.
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Old August 30th, 2018, 14:39   #34
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My TDI cost me $4000 back in 2003. If I can get an EV and a solar array for around that price, I'd be up for it. Maybe tack on an extra $2000 for inflation.
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Old August 30th, 2018, 14:51   #35
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My TDI cost me $4000 back in 2003. If I can get an EV and a solar array for around that price, I'd be up for it. Maybe tack on an extra $2000 for inflation.
That's not a very fair way to think of cost of ownership unless all of the fuel you've burned was free. Plus oil changes, timing belts, etc..
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Old August 31st, 2018, 22:22   #36
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That's not a very fair way to think of cost of ownership unless all of the fuel you've burned was free. Plus oil changes, timing belts, etc..
Yep... O&M would have cost me ~$12k with my Jetta over the last ~5 years especially since it was due for another EGR cooler / valve But I guess if you never drive your car his point is valid... but then what's the point of having a car?
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Old September 1st, 2018, 05:57   #37
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I can envision TDIClub members (and non-members) in the next few years having both an EV and a light duty diesel vehicle in their garages. Problem solved for city driving, highway driving and emergency evacuation driving
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Problem solved for city driving, highway driving and emergency evacuation driving
What's the light duty diesel for?
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Old September 2nd, 2018, 06:29   #39
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For when your sitting on the side of the road with a dead EV battery....
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For when your sitting on the side of the road with a dead EV battery....

That is one of the reasons I leased a 2018 Chevrolet Volt, extended range of the on board generator.
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For when your sitting on the side of the road with a dead EV battery....
The car does an incredible job of preventing that now. The car calculates how much charge you need to make it where you're going; If you're not gonna make your destination the car will tell you to slow down. Anyone that depletes their battery these days pretty much did it intentionally...
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Old September 2nd, 2018, 19:30   #42
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The efficiency is there, the problem is the cost.
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Old September 2nd, 2018, 19:52   #43
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Where I work there are several cars plugged in....pretty cool
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Old September 2nd, 2018, 20:34   #44
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What's the light duty diesel for?
In my field of work I consider it 'unlike redundancy' form of transportation.
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In my field of work I consider it 'unlike redundancy' form of transportation.
Do you own an EV for 'unlike redundancy'?
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