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View Poll Results: Which AMSOIL?
Premium API CJ-4 Diesel Oil (DEO) 100 28.25%
European Car Formula Motor Oil (AFL) 254 71.75%
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Old March 21st, 2009, 13:38   #751
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Yup, you want DEO.

See my CJ-4 thread for more details about CJ-4 5w40 oils.

/EDIT. Oops, I re-read your last post. You want AFL over HDD, even though AFL is inferior to DEO .
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Old March 21st, 2009, 16:05   #752
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I'm uncertain about the significance of the "engine quieter" factor. My '03 is quieter with german Castrol 0-30 and also with Rotella 5-40 than it is with Mobil TDT 5-40. I have also used PC Duron 5-40, but I don't recall the noise level being different with that one. Lab numbers show Mobil to be at the head of the class. I too like the quieter sound, I'm just doubtful that it has any particular meaning, beyond auditory satisfaction.
Agreed x 10! Mobil 1 0w-40 euro car formula is known to be a "noisy" oil on BITOG and from my experience with it, yes, the engine sounds louder, valvetrain noises, etc. (i havent used it on a TDI, though)

There was an article a LONG time ago about oils and acoustical damping properties. Even thought the m1 0w-40 was "noisy" ... it shows good wear and has proven to be a good oil.
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Old March 21st, 2009, 18:18   #753
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Yup, you want DEO.

See my CJ-4 thread for more details about CJ-4 5w40 oils.

/EDIT. Oops, I re-read your last post. You want AFL over HDD, even though AFL is inferior to DEO .
Thanks for the response....I never said I wanted AFL over HDD...it was a consideration. FYI, AFL and DEO seem to be a wash for 2003 and older tdis...the oil specs seems very close...I'm not concerned with that comparison. Mainly what I'm curious about is if anyone has seen a mpg increase using the 5W-30 HDD (due to it's viscosity being lower) compared to ANY of the 5W-40 Amsoil oils properly rated for 2003 and older tdis. Thanks.
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Thanks for the response....AFL and DEO seem to be a wash for 2003 and older tdi's...the oil specs seems very close...I'm not concerned with that comparison. Mainly what I'm curious about is if anyone has seen a mpg increase using the 5W-30 HDD (due to it's viscosity being lower) compared to ANY of the 5W-40 Amsoil oils properly rated for 2003 and older tdis. Thanks.
The added MPG benefit with 30w is countered in many TDI's with oil consumption.

If you decide on the 30w keep an eye on the oil level.
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Old March 21st, 2009, 18:31   #755
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Great! Thanks for the response. I generally try to keep a sharp on my oil level so that won't be a problem. Hmm....decisions, decisions. Thanks again .
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I highly recommend UOA if you are going to use HDD. IIRC back before DEO, HDD didn't fare to well in terms of wear compared to Delvac 1 (of which DEO is considered on-par with).
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I will certainly take everything said here into consideration. Thanks for all the input guys. Have a good day. God bless.
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I'd recommend the 5w-40, Amsoil HD diesel oil(DEO), in all the TDI's except for those with DPF's. The Amsoil 5w-40 European Formula is an excellent product for European gas engines, but it's not their top performer in diesels.

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Brian,

It's like Groundhog Day, the movie...still debating the same issues with a different cast... LOL

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It's like Groundhog Day, the movie...still debating the same issues with a different cast... LOL

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I have 27000 miles on my 09 Jetta Wagen and run amsoil in everything. I have drove over 250,000 miles on my last 5 cars running amsoil no engine or trans problems what is the best oil for this car when I am out of warranty?

My Demolition Derby Engine is a chey 350 and I run it 45 min without water and the oil holds up and I have over a dozen runs on it I change it every other run.

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I have 27000 miles on my 09 Jetta Wagen and run amsoil in everything. I have drove over 250,000 miles on my last 5 cars running amsoil no engine or trans problems what is the best oil for this car when I am out of warranty?
You still have some time to decide on an oil. Amsoil does not make an oil meeting the 507.00 spec, and may not have plans to do so. Perhaps an API CJ-4 oil like Amsoil DEO will work, but you should let others experiment on their cars before you try it in yours.
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I know that Amsoil is looking at the VW 504.00/507.00 spec & trying to see if it makes economic sense to formulate such a product. That would take at least a year of field testing after the initial bench/lab tests, so it could be a while. In order to make it worthwhile it would probably also have to meet BMW-LL04, MB 229.51 and the latest API spec, as does their current VW505.01 offering.

I suspect the second generation VW505.01/VW502.00 oils would probably be just fine in a 2009 VW diesel, since they are already low "SAPS" products. I'm not sure I'd experiment with a CJ-4 rated, HD diesel oil though, since the sulfated ash & phosphorus levels are significantly higher in those.

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I suspect the second generation VW505.01/VW502.00 oils would probably be just fine in a 2009 VW diesel, since they are already low "SAPS" products. I'm not sure I'd experiment with a CJ-4 oil though, since the Sulfated ash level is significantly higher (1.0% vs 0.6%).
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In the real world, how many millions of miles would you have to drive before the difference between 1.0% and 0.6% became apparent? And in the meantime, wouldn't the lubricating qualities of the two oils be more significant? If the CJ-4 oil has a more robust additive package and a higher TBN, wouldn't that more than offset a slightly higher level of sulfated ash? (especially if the oil stays in the crankcase where it belongs -- where it should stay if the engine has been broken-in properly)
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