Tired of "I had my TDI for 1 month" and now I am selling it for a Honda...

Honestly, folks, these parting shots are all well and fine, but please, don't write that you had the TDI for 1 month, the plastice ashtray piece fell off, it stumbled slightly when the temp was -35 F, and you smell a kindof diesel smell so now you are selling or trading your TDI for a Ford Expedition or a Honda Accord V6 Auto. What is the point of going from 45-50 mpg to 12 mpg or at best 27? If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem, in my opinion. Why anyone would want to own a very rare VW TDI diesel and then scrap it a few months later to get a Blazer is beyond me. What are your priorities? Fuel efficiency or big, bad and ugly? And the first to sell cheap when gas goes back up to $2-4/gallon. If you are into these cars, into a little backyard mechanics, and into saving money, and still having performance, these cars are the bomb. If you are into forgetting about everything except oil changes and frequent fuel stops, then get something else. I honestly feel that these posts are useless. And gas guzzlers are NOT PATRIOTIC these days, despite Pres Bush. Please recall that the majority of gasoline sales go to Saudi Arabia, the Araba a**holes who bombed the Trade center. Not to American farmers and not to American workers. This country's energy policy is for crap, and vehicles, no matter sales or profit, are part of the disease. It would be extremely patriotic for ALL AMERICANS to use less petroleum, at almost any cost.--Steve

P.S. Including the use of VW TDIs.

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You just like to cause trouble dont you?

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Yeah, perhaps I do. But I do get tired of this energy sharade. The numbers just don't stack up. Maybe dino oil isn't gone now, but what about the future, our kids (for those who have them.)? And what about our policy in the Middle East, which is paramount right now? How do we reduce our ties to Bin Ladenism, and money for Extremist groups? I say by reducing money going to the Middle East...

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And what about Japan? Just because they build nice cars doesn't excuse them from atrocities 50 years ago. Anyone remember Pearl Harbor, Dec. 7, 1941? The Japanese weren't so nice, then.--Steve

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I don't care if people want to get rid of a car. A car is just a car. Our "other car" is a very humble 1994 Ford Escort Wagon (5 speed) built in Wayne, IN. and Flint, MI. 30-40 MPG with the stick. Not a great car, but reliable and fuel efficient. And American made. I'd like to replace it with a NB TDI or a Jetta Wagon TDI. I like to Ford Focus, and the Ford Taurus sedan FFV, but, there is no replacement for a VW!

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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by sfierz:
I honestly feel that these posts are useless.<hr></blockquote>

The irony hanging in the air is so thick you could cut it with a knife.

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ummm, I don't want to open up a can of worms here but I agreed with how you started your post as I don't want to hear about people who have far too much money and can afford to trade in their brand new car for another new one.

But to bring up past wars and the countries where automobiles are designed (not necessarly manufactured) has nothing to do with anything in my opinion.

If you believe it does then please do not forget a little something called World War I and World War II, the War of 1812, Vietnam, the Korean War....

I don't think anyone would be driving anything, we'd all be riding bikes... oh wait... Does Greenland make bikes.. oh no the VIKINGS !!

Happy Holidays Everyone

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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by nanoonanook:
ummm....
I don't think anyone would be driving anything, we'd all be riding bikes... oh wait... Does Greenland make bikes.. oh no the VIKINGS !!

Happy Holidays Everyone<hr></blockquote>

Greenland - Vikings ???

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Vikings = Minnesota.

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Just a thought on the saudis. If you (in America) wish to cut imports from them, why not but it from Alberta, or more specifically from our oil sands in Athabasca. I forget the latest number quoted, but the oil contained in them (the oil sands) is well beyond the total reserves of Saudi Arabia.

Also if its natural gas that you desire why not tap into the MacKenzie delta along with Alaska.

The benefits to American companies would be great, I mean each dollar american is equal to roughly $1.50 canadian. So if you realy wish to cut of the Arabs, just look north.

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Well, I agree that American's (in general) are foolish when it comes to what they drive. Hell I tried for months to talk a co-worker into looking at the diesel option for his 3/4 ton Suburban! He said no and bought the 454! His reasoning was that diesels smell bad and don't run in the winter. Well, chances are he is right given that it was a Chevy Diesel But his only reason for buying this tank was to pull his 26 foot boat which I am guessing doesn't get a whole lot of use in the winter.

Not all people from the Saudia region are bad though. We may wish to not use such generalizations in the future...Please

I have to laugh at people that drive these HUGE SUV's and ***** about how much it cost to repair them and operate them. Tough S*** you bought the pile of crap.

Often I have wished fuel prices in the states would go to 4 bucks or more a gallon! Imagine roads without SUV's.

For those of you who use them properly (read, car pooling, hauling trailers, etc) I got no problem with that. It is the 100 or so I see every day on my way to work with 1 person in them that bug me.

Wow, OK, I feel better now. Sorry to rant!

Happy Holidays everyone

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Vikings invaded Greenland in 983 where they had many settlements prior to landing in what is known today as Newfoundland. Hence, many were from Greenland during the settlement years. (only for a point of agrument that virtually all countries have waged war in one form or another throught history, and that not purchasing a car from any given country based on war history is an invalid concern in my opinion. I'm by no means an expert but just trying to make a point)

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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by sfierz:
And what about Japan? Just because they build nice cars doesn't excuse them from atrocities 50 years ago. Anyone remember Pearl Harbor, Dec. 7, 1941? The Japanese weren't so nice, then.--Steve<hr></blockquote>
Ever heard of ******, he was from where? Don't they build VWs? Don't give me Pearl Harbor, I was born and raised in Hawaii, my brother has been in many history books and was on the history channel over the weekend about PH. Fact is, Japan was baited into a war so we could go kick **** butt. First shot of the USA vs IJ war was not even in PH, but fired outside PH, when the US blew up a IJN sub. Don't know why the US was sitting on its but hours later when the war had already started? Maybe it was the same reason all our stuff gets shot to hell on the ground in PI, where McAuthor is a full day later?

June 1941, the US embarks on a arms building program, increasing the USAF to 7800 attack planes, lays down 21 Essex CV, 8 fast BB. You think we were Gandi or something? Plus the Pres was under secretary to the Navy, he knew about War Plan Orange, which clearly had a IJN attack on PC as the MOST likely start of a Pacific War. Man know your history, Japan bashing ain't gonna cut much on an international board.

What do you think the good old USA did to the Hawaiians?, Indians? Mexicans? Chinese durning the boxer rebelion? Oh let me guess, it's OK if white people do it. but for shame some yellow race does it to us.

Don't go to how much oil we can get from other sources, sure there is lots of oil in tar sands and I'm sure if Canada wants to RAPE their land, they can dig it up, squeeze oil out of it and sell it to the USA. Whould I think that makes them good guys or STUPID? America is fat and squanders away the worlds resources, then we wonder why most of the world hates us? The whole concept that this is a WORLD and even that there are future Americans is completely forien to the me, now, baby boomers. There is NO cheap replacement for forein oil. Best be getting that in your THICK skull(s).

[ December 20, 2001: Message edited by: Oldman ]</p>

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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Oldman:

Don't go to how much oil we can get from other sources, sure there is lots of oil in tar sands and I'm sure if Canada wants to RAPE their land, they can dig it up, squeeze oil out of it and sell it to the USA. Whould I think that makes them good guys or STUPID? America is fat and squanders away the worlds resources, then we wonder why most of the world hates us? The whole concept that this is a WORLD and even that there are future Americans is completely forien to the me, now, baby boomers. There is NO cheap replacement for forein oil. Best be getting that in your THICK skull(s).<hr></blockquote>
To go even a bit more off topic, I find it actually quite humorous, that the American Government is all up-in-arms about Canadian softwood lumber being shipped to US markets, but yet can't get their hands out of Canada's pockets when it comes to resources such as oil, hydro, water etc... Can we say double standard??

[flamesuit on]

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sfierz,

I was motorin' along pretty good with you in your first couple posts. Then you went off on Japan!!?? Long time ago. Ancient history. The Japanese aren't flying airliners into our buildings!! What about WWs I & II? Why are you driving a German car? Oh never mind.

-Mel

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Umm: when did we last have a thread about someone's ashtray falling off and therefore trading for a Honda after 1 month?

Or are you taking digs at my post about trading for a Honda? I traded after 3 years, not after 1 month. And a little more than the ashtray fell off. In fact if you want the complete list of problems in 3 years here it is:

1) squeak in front suspension (never located)
2) sticking power door lock (self-fixed, rocker installed upside down)
3) broken glovebox door (ok, minor)
4) oil leak from oil cooler (not so minor) 30k km
5) clearcoat peeling on front bumper (35k km)
6) worn suspension bushings (50k km)
7) heated mirror quit (minor)
8) cruise control sometimes disconnects spontaneously
9) water pump failure at 78k km
10) MAF failure at 79k km
11) coolant leak at coolant glow plug flange at 79k km

Oh and I did change relay 109 myself as a precaution. Now then, the dealer is located 80 km from where I am. All of this stuff, 'cept the suspension bushings, were done under warranty (MAF was a "goodwill", had to pay labour). I was able to handle the minor stuff: just live with it until the next service visit. But the MAF, water pump, oil leak and coolant leak all required extra trips to the dealer and occured within two weeks of each other.

Sorry but this kind of reliability doesn't cut it with my schedule. As for mileage, I got a 4-cyl Accord, not a V6, for that very reason. Granted the mileage is no hell compared to the TDI. But I suspect it will be more reliable, and if it isn't, the dealer is walking distance from my work.

And with regards to it being a Japanese car, as someone pointed out, was ****** any better than the Japanese? My father-in-law was a prisoner of the Japanse in WWII and was tortured by them. He drove Hondas and Nissans. There is a concept that some say is uniquely Christian but I believe exists among all peoples, called "forgiveness". Especially when the current generation had nothing to do with the atrocities of 50 years ago.

I guess in summary: this is a discussion forum related to VW TDIs. If you don't like all the opinions you read here, nobody is forcing you to stick around.

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The posts by Oldman and DZLguy have me almost in tears of joy knowing that some people still have an objective view of the world and not this "Holier than thou" attitude that I'm up to my eyes listening... not to pick on the US specifically, but every nation.

The US is not faultless in its past, and neither is most any other country. Remember British colonialization of India and many other countries; beautiful Dutch tulips and serene windmills? -- think again -- remember Indonesia and Apartheid South Africa.

As someone of Chinese and Korean descent, by the logic of some I should loathe Japanese cars because Imperial Japan occupied China and Korea. Fact is however, my intense dislike for Japanese cars has nothing to with with this fact, but by simple preference, or the lack thereof in this case.

Completely off-topic and irrelevant, and therein lies the point: A country's history does not for a moment factor-in to my decision of what car I buy nor how good I perceive it to be, nor IMHO should it ever be a consideration.

The country of a car's or ANY other product's origin is unimportant to me. I don't think I'd buy anything but European -- specifically German -- cars, but that's just me. When I go shopping for other things, I usually try to look for goods made in North America. I buy based on personal preference and a perception, rightly or wrongly, of quality. What happened in a country's distant or even recent history is irrelevant because I'd have too many bones to pick with most of them.

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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by tdimeister:
The posts by Oldman and DZLguy have me almost in tears of joy knowing that some people still have an objective view of the world and not this "Holier than thou" attitude that I'm up to...<hr></blockquote>


I'll second that. Fact is folks, is it not our own money we're spending? Hey, if I worked hard for it, you better believe I'm going to spend it on what I want. If you want to spend it on crap, that's OK by me; if you want to buy quality, that's OK, too. I just hope I don't live long enough for someone to tell me what I have to buy...

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Let 'em go. More diesels for the rest of us.

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nd what about Japan? Just because they build nice cars doesn't excuse them from atrocities 50 years ago.
Anyone remember Pearl Harbor, Dec. 7, 1941? The Japanese weren't so nice, then.--Steve <blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr> <hr></blockquote>

Surely you jest! By your standard, no American Indian should ever buy a car made in Detroit! NOBODY should buy a German car...ever. American's shouldn't buy British cars. (They burned down the White House, after all.) Russians shouldn't buy cars from ANYBODY...even other Russians.

Cars are just cars, not political statements. And there is no such thing as a "Japanese Car", or an "American Car", or any other nationality. ALL cars are made all over the world. Your VW has parts from Germany (engine), Argentina (transmission), Mexico, Brazil, Poland, the U.S., etc.

-mickey

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Shouldn't this topic be in the "Political B.S." Discussion Area??

It seems to me that this thread has no purpose in the "General TDI Engine" Discussion Area.

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didnt we fight the germans during ww II also???


and we fought the mexicans once over texas and again over avacados..

but we didnt fight either over volkswagens..


but i am not in the mood to buy one from osama bin laden this week...

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Same here. Let by gones be by gones. BTW, I also dislike the so long post.


<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Mel Knott:
sfierz,

I was motorin' along pretty good with you in your first couple posts. Then you went off on Japan!!?? Long time ago. Ancient history. The Japanese aren't flying airliners into our buildings!! What about WWs I & II? Why are you driving a German car? Oh never mind.

-Mel<hr></blockquote>

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Ok, OK, OK, I was just trying to make a point. I was on a rant about America's gluttonous appetite for oil, not a dig on Japan. I'm not sure why I wrote that the way I did. I just happen to not like Japanese cars very well, but not because of Pearl Harbor. Perhaps it was too late and a few too many beers...sorry!! But I do feel strongly about the "parting shots," and I'm not saying don't write them, just that I think they are kind of cheap. Also, they give credence to the impression that the TDIs are nothing but trouble just because we write in with a problem but not when things are good. I think, overall, these cars are VERY RELIABLE, long-lived, efficient, but that they are not for everyone, especially since there are so few in America. Not everybody wants the joys and/or hassles of diesel ownership! But I sort of wish people did.

Merry Christmas everbody!! Peace!

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I'll post my obligatory message whenever I see one of these threads:

Now about 19 months, 40,000 miles ('00 Jetta GLS w/ Monsoon and Sunroof).... a couple of very minor problems fixed under warranty in the first few months of ownership (glove box / 4th grea vibration)... love the car, absolutely no regrets.

I did have a 1997 Toyota T-100 truck that was the most troublesome vehicle I ever owned.... but now I have an older (1990) Land Cruiser that I just love and it has 150K on the odometer... great truck for hunting and has been pretty trouble free!! My point is I can appreciate that fact that a couple of bad vehicles make it through quality control and that pisses the owner off (who spent $20 +) to no end. Keep in mind that the majority of owners who don't have trouble with their vehicles probably aren't posting messages here very much.... they're just hanging around.... the silent majority...

Happy Holidays guys....

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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by sfierz:
selling or trading your TDI for a Ford Expedition or a Honda Accord<hr></blockquote>

Here's the positive side: This gives you an opportunity to buy a virtually new TDI for 2-3000 dollars less.

Oil: Current estimates show that oil production will start declining in 2005.

Troy

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I dont know I have had mine for two years now and I have had the same problems as everyone else and I can tell you this is no economy car. this a mechanics anunity. everything goes wrong, it rattles, makes weird noises but I still like the car. its like a harley and a girlfriend. If they just lay there without making a lot of noise and trouble they arent worth having around

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Some of you guys would do better buying a Barbie Dream Car. These TDIs are complex machines, and very forgiving, considering all the mods done by most at this site. Complaints are more often posted than compliments. VW has sold over 75,000 TDIs in America in the past 3.5 years, and we see some complaints here... but that leaves about 74,950 owners who are like me, smiling every time we pass a fuel stop in our great little TDI powered VWs. Lest you forget, I have had major warranty repairs, but VW took care of it perfectly, something I can't say about other cars I have thrashed.

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I think a lot of it has to do with everyone having a different threshold for mechanical failures. I used to work in tech support for a computer manufacturer and as such, fully accept the fact that things that are mechanical/electronic in nature can and will fail from time to time. It's the nature of the beast. Business enterprise servers are designed around fault tolerance and redundancy because it's expected that parts will fail. They're kept in carefully controlled environments with temperature controls, air filtering, electrical power conditioning, etc. and hard drives (among other things) still fail routinely. Now consider a car with all its electronics and moving parts in an environment that is anything but controlled. Temperature extremes, moisture, vibrations, corrosive agents, harsh driving practices, etc. It's a wonder things don't break more often! I fully expected my TDI to have some kind of problem and was almost relieved when it did have something minor go wrong. It let me know the car was behaving as I expect a machine to behave by having an occasional problem. My attitude is very stoic when it comes to mechanical failures. I also have a lifestyle that allows me time to mess around under the hood or if necessary, take it to the dealer for service. For those that live in the fast lane, I can understand a lower tolerance for BS when you've got more important things to worry about. It's all relative and everyone's perceptions are going to be different, hence all the different extremes of car experiences.

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while would any intelligent person drive a tdi when the fuel is as bad as sky pup sez...