Btdi
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Today I bought a TDI parts/donor car and I will be beginning the manual swap from this 2000 tdi to my 2005 Mkiv tdi. I was wondering which is better for this swap a single mass or dual mass flywheel?
Single mass vs. Dual mass flywheel???
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slamhouse
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If you plan on keeping power levels within 15% of stock, then the DMF is the better choice.
If you plan on modding for mroe than 15% stock power, then go SMF with a high torque yield rating.
If you plan on modding for mroe than 15% stock power, then go SMF with a high torque yield rating.
Well put!!
+ I would add SMF has less chance of coming apart and destroying your tranny.
TDikook
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just go SMF. the DMF will come apart on you eventually anyway. they are not known for longevity...
Ol'Rattler
Top Post Dawg
Just go with a SMF. I had a DMF in my 2006 from the factory. At 50K miles, I changed it to a SMF because I was just so sick and tired of the miserable engagement the DMF had.
I find it hard to believe that VOA thought that the DMF even belonged in these cars. What a miserable thing to do to an otherwise awesome car.
The only downside to a SMF is the gear jangle you get at idle in neutral with the clutch out. It is not really that objectionable once you understand that the sound is completely normal with a SMF.
I am at 103K miles with my SMF and still have a love affair with how awesome the engagement of the SMF is.
Throw the DMF clutch in the trash and don't look back..................
I find it hard to believe that VOA thought that the DMF even belonged in these cars. What a miserable thing to do to an otherwise awesome car.
The only downside to a SMF is the gear jangle you get at idle in neutral with the clutch out. It is not really that objectionable once you understand that the sound is completely normal with a SMF.
I am at 103K miles with my SMF and still have a love affair with how awesome the engagement of the SMF is.
Throw the DMF clutch in the trash and don't look back..................
Ol'Rattler
Top Post Dawg
I would go so far as to agree with slamhouse but would add that if you want a clutch that performs like some of the best clutches you have ever driven, then go with a SMF clutch. If you want a clutch that has a vague engagement point and is a chore to drive, go with a DMF clutch.
I suppose some years are different, but my 2006 A5 DMF clutch would bring tears to your eyes because of how miserable it was. I went from stalling the car about 5 or more times a week to stalling it about once every 6 months.
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Btdi
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It shouldn't be to bad, worst-case I Know an engineer knows about the wiring.
slamhouse
Veteran Member
The DMF in my jetta engages perfectly and better than any other clutch ive driven which is partly why i bought it.
Perhaps your clutch developed a glaze resulting in harsh engagement.
The only bother i have with the DMF is the pulsating clutch pedal byt ive come to accept it.
boertje
Veteran Member
I know I did not like the original DMF in my 01 bug, however, the DMF I have with the 02M (Sachs) is a dream to drive. Have done 3 of these and they are perfectly consistent. I have no experience with the SMF, however, personally if I were dealing with the 5 speed, I'd go the silent design SMF by southbend.
Ol'Rattler
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Of course my experience is only with 1 clutch so maybe I just got a "dud". My DMF was always about the same from brand new. With less than 20 miles on it, during the test drive I stalled it several times.
It wasn't a really a harsh engagement, it was more like a vague engagement point were the engagement point would sort of change as you let the clutch out to try to get the clutch to engage smoothly.
For 50K miles, I tried to adjust my driving style and could never get any better at smooth takeoffs. The SMF, from the first time I drove it, was as smooth as butter..........................
DMF Rattling
I need to switch it out due to the excessive noise of it getting ready to explode, it's pretty loud once it gets heated up. when the car is cold it doesnt really make the slapping sound, but while driving/in neutral you can hear the throwout bearing squeaking too not bad but enough to warrant replacement. I plan on getting the sbc stage 2 daily. SMF with clutch. at least i think that is what is wrong with the car. I'm not a mechanic however.
Exact sound of my car as well
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQTV2Bt6PoI
mine is a 98 beetle but this is the exact sound mine is making, which i believe will be my DMF, hence the switch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQTV2Bt6PoI
mine is a 98 beetle but this is the exact sound mine is making, which i believe will be my DMF, hence the switch
boertje
Veteran Member
wort, looks like you are on the right track. Had a local fellow call me last week complaining that his clutch would not disengage properly. Told him I thought it was his pressure plate beginning to give out. This is what he found. He was very lucky it didn't grenade his transmission.
Holy Cow, I would say hes very lucky, hopefuly mine holds out until the parts come in, (id parts had a backorder on the SBC stage 2 daily kits. should be and additional week, mine just started clanking a little more and is intermittent so hopefully its not on the verge of explosion, no engagement problems yet so thats a good sign.
Thanks.
Thanks.
hevster1
Vendor
SMF-Stronger, holds more torque, light pedal feel depending on which one is used, Noisy at idle on most especially if light flywheel used, dependable, flywheel can be resurfaced, usually outlasts stock.
DMF-quiet
DMF-quiet