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Dieselgate - VW Group Emission Scandal Discussion around the VW Dieselgate Emissions scandal. Details and news updates can be viewed here: http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=448336 This forum is a work in progress depending on requirements, usage, etc.

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Old December 13th, 2018, 22:51   #2056
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i am looking for attorney accepting salvage titles 2.0 cars before 06 28 2016 please



I sold mine back to VW in March 2017. It had a rebuilt title. I bought it like that. I did not have any problems selling it back. It was a sweet deal for me as I bought the car with a discount for being rebuilt.
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Old December 14th, 2018, 07:32   #2057
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No, there is no legitimate way to convert a branded title into a clean title.
What you are thinking about are certain states that classify various brands differently, and by routing a vehicle through those states one can remove a particular brand from the title, but that doesn't "clean" the car (and it's not a legitimate method, regardless).
If you try and pass that car off as a "clean" titled car, you can be prosecuted for fraud. If you don't know the car was "cleaned" like this, you might not be held liable for fraud but the car still won't be "clean." The car's status will still show with a VIN check and depending on where it gets registered the title will become branded again.
What you will have is a car's title that doesn't truly reflect its actual status (reflected in the official records)--but that doesn't make it a "clean" title just because the title doesn't reflect a brand.
Ok, are we really going to do this again? Once again, you are absolutely wrong and giving misinformation. Is this common and do most states allow you to have a brand removed? No. But is it possible? Yes. Will you be prosecuted as you say if you do it legitimately in the few states that allow it? No.

And I'm not talking about white-washing a title by routing it through several states to try and lose the brand. That does happen, and it is wrong, as you say. I'm talking about owning a car in a state and legitimately having the brand removed in that same state.

State of Utah - look towards the bottom under "Can a salvage vehicle that has already been repaired have the brand removed from the title?"
https://dmv.utah.gov/titles/salvage-vehicles

Remember when you absolutely decreed that a car that was totaled by an insurance company could not retain an unbranded title (earlier in this thread, posts 1300 to 1315), and were absolutely wrong on that too? Even after proclaiming that you have a history of always making proclamations that seem to come true? Even despite links that were provided that contradicted your absolute and blanket statement? Well, here again we have a similar situation where your sweeping statements are misinformed, despite your profession as a legal scholar or whatever. (By the way - I just won multiple appeals on these types of cars where an insurance company totaled them but the state intentionally and correctly never issued a brand to the title.)

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Old December 14th, 2018, 11:37   #2058
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Ok, are we really going to do this again? Once again, you are absolutely wrong and giving misinformation. Is this common and do most states allow you to have a brand removed? No. But is it possible? Yes. Will you be prosecuted as you say if you do it legitimately in the few states that allow it? No.

And I'm not talking about white-washing a title by routing it through several states to try and lose the brand. That does happen, and it is wrong, as you say. I'm talking about owning a car in a state and legitimately having the brand removed in that same state.

State of Utah - look towards the bottom under "Can a salvage vehicle that has already been repaired have the brand removed from the title?"
https://dmv.utah.gov/titles/salvage-vehicles
I read the link you provided to the Utah DMV and you seem to have misunderstood what you read:

If the DMV issues a branded title to a wrecked car, the owner can petition the DMV to remove the brand if it can be proven that the car only had damage to one major component that requires less than ten hours to repair and the car is newer than 7 years old.

The car won't be eligible for that if the repair has already been done or if the brand comes from out of state.

Utah automatically issues a branded title upon notice of an accident but the owner can remedy the situation before the brand becomes permanent. That isn't an example of an owner taking an existing brand off a title.
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Old December 14th, 2018, 11:46   #2059
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I read the link you provided to the Utah DMV and you seem to have misunderstood what you read:

If the DMV issues a branded title to a wrecked car, the owner can petition the DMV to remove the brand if it can be proven that the car only had damage to one major component that requires less than ten hours to repair and the car is newer than 7 years old.

The car won't be eligible for that if the repair has already been done or if the brand comes from out of state.

Utah automatically issues a branded title upon notice of an accident but the owner can remedy the situation before the brand becomes permanent. That isn't an example of an owner taking an existing brand off a title.
So....when Utah issues a branded title, in certain circumstances, you can petition to have the brand removed, right? Seems to be what both the link and you are saying.
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Old December 14th, 2018, 12:08   #2060
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Well, here again we have a similar situation where your sweeping statements are misinformed, despite your profession as a legal scholar or whatever.
I'm not going to get into another pointless debate with you (a moderator corrected you in that earlier discussion) but the person asking for advice was from Los Angeles, CA and I'm from California and I wrote my post explicitly about California.

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Once a title is branded, it can't become unbranded (in California, at least).
In regards to Utah, however, I assume most people know the difference between what you just linked to and cleaning a previously branded title.

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Old December 14th, 2018, 13:14   #2061
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I'm not going to get into another pointless debate with you (a moderator corrected you in that earlier discussion) but the person asking for advice was from Los Angeles, CA and I'm from California and I wrote my post explicitly about California.
Haha, wow. I assume you're referring to post #1311 when you say I was corrected by a moderator? That is 100% NOT what I was talking about in that discussion there - he was misunderstanding the conversation. You were 100% wrong there. I personally have multiple cars that were totaled by an insurance company, signed over to the insurance company, and sold at a salvage auction to me, whereupon the insurance company signed the title over to me. And these were not ever issued brands to their titles, nor should they have been according to those states' laws, as referenced in my posts back then. It wasn't a loophole, and it wasn't whitewashing. It was intentional by those states. You were absolutely, 100% wrong when you said this wasn't possible and that is was fraudulent.

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In regards to Utah, however, I assume most people know the difference between what you just linked to and cleaning a previously branded title.
What I linked IS cleaning a previously branded title. That's why I said sometimes this can be done.

And the problem is, this isn't at all what your (later) post said. I said a car could legitimately have a brand removed. You said it couldn't, at least in California. I said that in some states it could. And then you said, referring to my post about other states, that it absolutely couldn't be done and it would be fraud to do so. To which I posted a link showing Utah allows exactly what I said some states allow.

If you really meant that you were just referring to the difference between what I linked and to cleaning, you would have said, "True, lvrpl is right that a brand could be removed in certain circumstances, but that's not really what i'm talking about," instead of an unequivocal, blanket statement that what I said would be fraudulent, illegal, and completely not allowed.

Seriously man, learn to just say, "I was mistaken" occasionally.

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Old December 15th, 2018, 23:02   #2062
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As the O.P. to this thread, please take your discussion to a private message if you don't mind.

Back to the original topic,
In our case the CRC has denied 40-50 appeals for vehicles that were rebuilt prior to Febuary 26, 2018.

It appears that their "general framework for processing branded title claims" published in the February 26 claims supervisor report is being applied randomly at best.

I would like to get in touch with others who have been denied on a vehicle that was rebuilt prior 2/26/18.
- I believe that if we join together we could pursue action that would force the CRC to apply their "framework" in a manner consistent with the settlement agreement, rather that at will.

Please send me a private message if you're interested. Thanks
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Old December 16th, 2018, 19:49   #2063
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As the O.P. to this thread, please take your discussion to a private message if you don't mind.

Back to the original topic,
In our case the CRC has denied 40-50 appeals for vehicles that were rebuilt prior to Febuary 26, 2018.

It appears that their "general framework for processing branded title claims" published in the February 26 claims supervisor report is being applied randomly at best.

I would like to get in touch with others who have been denied on a vehicle that was rebuilt prior 2/26/18.
- I believe that if we join together we could pursue action that would force the CRC to apply their "framework" in a manner consistent with the settlement agreement, rather that at will.

Please send me a private message if you're interested. Thanks
Sorry, I thought discussion and clarification of what VW considered salvage/rebuilt, what actually is salvage/rebuilt, and outcomes including appeals on such cars would be in line with the original intent of the thread.

As I mentioned, I won 5 appeals for cars that were totaled but not issued salvage titles after VW initially treated them as salvage and rejected the original claims. I also had 6 rebuilt titles accepted without appeal and 1 rejected because it couldn't be proven operable in June 2016, as noted earlier in this thread.
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No problem, I thought the discussion about how diferent states handle totalled cars was okay, but the discussion was getting a little long imo.

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No problem, I thought the discussion about how diferent states handle totalled cars was okay, but the discussion was getting a little long imo.
Fair - my apologies.
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