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VW MKVII-Mk7 Golf family including Golf Wagon (~ 2015 +) Discussions area for the Mk7 (2015+) Golf and Golf Wagon TDIs based on the MQB (Modularer Querbaukasten) platform.

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Old May 29th, 2018, 05:14   #61
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I have old thule J bars that can be clamped to thule aeroblades. The benefit of the roof rails is that I can place the cross bars very wide, near the front and rear so no bow or stern straps are needed, granted we only have a 10" and 12" kayak.

To be honest seeing these kayaks are run of the mill boats, the most secure I've got them was with just clam shelling them, fist one upside down ratchet strapped down, second one angled to the fist and strapped down, looks ghetto, but is rock solid once fully ratcheted down.
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Old May 29th, 2018, 06:51   #62
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I had a hitch bike rack but never ended up using it and eventually sold it at a garage sale. My wife and I have road bikes, though, that cost more than the car carrying them so I didn't really want a $20K dollar bumper

I used bike trays on the roof for a few years but was never really happy with how they felt (and couldn't put anything else up there). Eventually I got one of these, which is both faster, easier, and more versatile than a hitch mount:
https://www.amazon.com/Allen-Sports-.../dp/B00ASSQYK4

It's a little higher off the bumper so gives slightly more protection than a hitch mount. Would probably not save the bikes from an SUV or might not even be a big deal depending on the bikes being transported. But that's turned out to be a great low cost, easily storable carrier.
I've had more issues with those type of racks that a hitch mount. My biggest grip is that I can't see out the back clearly enough when the bikes are on the rack. My Yakima hitch rack does drag a little when on the JSW. I like to put them in the car too but two of them stuffed in the back can still lead to paint damage. Also a little trickier to stack them when we both take our flat bar road bikes.
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Old May 29th, 2018, 07:01   #63
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It's funny that I have a roof rack on the Beetle but carried my LOOK safely tucked away inside the trailer.

We are looking at a 14 foot tandem kayak as well so I will need a good way to carry that around. Anyone carrying a kayak?
I use these with my roof rack and kayak trailer. https://www.yakima.com/bigstack

I strap the kayaks (11 and 13' Ocean kayaks) towards each other. I tie down the bow and stern if I'm going over 30 miles. On the kayak trailer, I'll mount the bikes on the outside of the kayaks.

With your beetle having such a short roofline, it might be better to mount the kayak on top of the trailer.
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Old June 2nd, 2018, 12:24   #64
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I would like to know if anyone keep track of their DSG temperature and if I should worry about mine.

This is at 21celcius outdoor temp, not towing.



This is at 31celcius outdoor temp, towing maybe 2000lbs travel trailer and stuff combined @100kmh 5th gear

Thanks.

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Old June 2nd, 2018, 21:57   #65
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Old June 3rd, 2018, 07:07   #66
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Old June 4th, 2018, 05:13   #67
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I wouldn't be to worried, the DSG is "cooled" (or heated depending) on how you look at it via a coolant loop. The coolant also runs through the engine oil cooler.

What you should be looking at is comparing DSG temp to coolant temps and oil temps, they should all be pretty close. Oil under regen should climb to 220F/104C. I've seen oil temp high as 230-235 on my TSI under heavy acceleration, I'd be guessing the DSG temps would climb to that if I kept romping on it.

The DSG has pretty much zero wear (thus heat generation) except for starting off from a stop as it slips the clutches, shifting and under load heat isn't really being generated.

I will say I think the Golf R has an external oil radiator (not tied into a coolant loop) thats in the fog lamp area. If you want you should be able to source Golf R (or estate) parts and could add additional coolant.

Also where'd you get the bosal tesla adapter, and how much?
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Old June 5th, 2018, 18:31   #68
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I wouldn't be to worried, the DSG is "cooled" (or heated depending) on how you look at it via a coolant loop. The coolant also runs through the engine oil cooler.

What you should be looking at is comparing DSG temp to coolant temps and oil temps, they should all be pretty close. Oil under regen should climb to 220F/104C. I've seen oil temp high as 230-235 on my TSI under heavy acceleration, I'd be guessing the DSG temps would climb to that if I kept romping on it.

The DSG has pretty much zero wear (thus heat generation) except for starting off from a stop as it slips the clutches, shifting and under load heat isn't really being generated.

I will say I think the Golf R has an external oil radiator (not tied into a coolant loop) thats in the fog lamp area. If you want you should be able to source Golf R (or estate) parts and could add additional coolant.

Also where'd you get the bosal tesla adapter, and how much?
From what I've read from other thread,the no.1 reason people suspect VW from banning towing with DSG TDI is the transmission overheating.

That's why I try to monitor everything to see if there's really an issue and also not harm my beloved wagon while doing so.

From what I've find out on the interwebs, 135celcius seem to be the maximum temperature the transmission will tolerate before warning light and decreased torque.

All my towing where less than 50kms (30miles) and my recorded data seem normal:
@31c
Max oil temp: 116c
Max centrifugal clutch temp:108c
Max transmission fluid temp:109c

All these are well under limit.

Even if I'm still a little bit stressed when I tow with my do-not-tow TDI DSG GSW, I'm starting to look more at the road than the gauge and temperature graph and enjoying the ride...

I'm starting to wonder if there is any reason at all.

I mean yeah, I wouldn't try to tow that 2k lbs camper @80mph. But if kept @60mph and under and driven accordingly, I can't find any problems so far.

In 1month, I'm going to Sandbanks Ontario, 500km away.
I'll be monitoring everything again, even with my friend calling me a nerd. Eh.

That will be the ultimate test, my camper will probably be at his heaviest. I'll try to drive it on the scale.
I also ordered airlift bags.
I'll update you guys if anything happens.

...I'll update you also if nothing happen. Eheh

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Old June 6th, 2018, 05:18   #69
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Did you code the ECU/BMC for towing? Supposedly this will run the fans more aggressively if its coded correctly and the wiring triggers the ECU/BMC is in tow mode. Lower coolant will lower the DSG temps slightly.

Big place that heat will climb is slipping of the clutch, I'd almost be more worried about stop and go traffic (specially on a hill) than constant highway speeds.

Granted I don't know anyone who would be aggressively driving with a trailer in stop and go driving and not just idle along at 1300rpms in 1st with the big rigs, letting the baffoons merge in and out.

You still didn't tell me where you scored that bosal hitch adapter
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Old June 6th, 2018, 06:27   #70
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Keep in mind that these same cars with similar engines are rated to tow 1500 kg in Europe with proper hitch, brakes, and training. It's just this side of the pond where we've have become so litigious that everyone is afraid of over stepping the recommended use.
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Old June 6th, 2018, 08:33   #71
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The B7 and B8 passat TDIs with DSG are rated to tow 2000 kg, not sure if they are 6 spd or newer 7spd DSG units though.

Also speeds are dramatically limited for towing those speeds, 60mph max?
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Old June 6th, 2018, 10:44   #72
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I was referring to the MKV+, MKVI, and MKVII, which is what the OP was asking about. I don't believe there was any difference for the manual versus the dsg for those cars. Not sure about the speed limit but it was a small car pulling a small sailboat like a bat out of h*** that I saw getting pulled over on the Autobahn in Germany many years back. They used three or four squads to "ease" him to the exit.
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Old June 7th, 2018, 04:27   #73
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oh I know, I was just adding to the crazy tow ratings of of Europe with what I believe is the same DSG transmission.

A 4000lb Passat Alltrack towing 4400lbs would just be mad in the states.
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Old June 7th, 2018, 20:17   #74
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Did you code the ECU/BMC for towing? Supposedly this will run the fans more aggressively if its coded correctly and the wiring triggers the ECU/BMC is in tow mode. Lower coolant will lower the DSG temps slightly.

Big place that heat will climb is slipping of the clutch, I'd almost be more worried about stop and go traffic (specially on a hill) than constant highway speeds.

Granted I don't know anyone who would be aggressively driving with a trailer in stop and go driving and not just idle along at 1300rpms in 1st with the big rigs, letting the baffoons merge in and out.

You still didn't tell me where you scored that bosal hitch adapter
I got it at Tesla dealer. The thing is, I don't know if it's really made to be universal fit.

The goose neck that come with the hitch click right in but the tesla/Bosal one need to be smack to lock in.

I don't know if I would be safe driving around with it. That's why I wanted to do further testing before recommending it

I'll do a video to show you.

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Old June 8th, 2018, 04:41   #75
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What did that set you back? You just show up and toss them a part number and they order it?

Thanks, I'm guessing as long as it locks it good to go. I just installed a westfaila hitch on our Alltrack (engagement/locking of the tow ball is very smooth and reassuring), it'd be nice to have the option for a 2" standard adapter.
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