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Old November 7th, 2014, 13:29   #16
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Well this sucks. Been using ESP Formula M 5w40 since I switched at 100K on my car ('04 Jetta). Now at 265K and cam and lifters are pristine. Guess I'll try Mobil 1 TDT as most folks seem to have pretty good wear numbers with this oil. I've always liked Motul Specific 505 01 since I had the car but it got to hard to find and too expensive. Any adverse thoughts to going with TDT?
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Old November 7th, 2014, 13:47   #17
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Well this sucks. Been using ESP Formula M 5w40 since I switched at 100K on my car ('04 Jetta). Now at 265K and cam and lifters are pristine. Guess I'll try Mobil 1 TDT as most folks seem to have pretty good wear numbers with this oil. I've always liked Motul Specific 505 01 since I had the car but it got to hard to find and too expensive. Any adverse thoughts to going with TDT?
None at all. TDT has a good track-record. Also, you might find Valvoline MST 5w40 that is 505.01 in stores.
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Old November 7th, 2014, 15:15   #18
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Old November 7th, 2014, 15:17   #19
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M1 0w40 euro is good for ALH's and nice and cheap at maomart
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Old November 7th, 2014, 18:03   #20
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Well this sucks. Been using ESP Formula M 5w40 since I switched at 100K on my car ('04 Jetta). Now at 265K and cam and lifters are pristine. Guess I'll try Mobil 1 TDT as most folks seem to have pretty good wear numbers with this oil. I've always liked Motul Specific 505 01 since I had the car but it got to hard to find and too expensive. Any adverse thoughts to going with TDT?
Yup, add msg # 11 to M1 TDT 5w40 and/or Mobil Delvac 1 5w40. Like yours the cam and innards are pristine. I run 30,000 miles OCI's.
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Old November 14th, 2014, 12:32   #21
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Available from Amazon now:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...A2KP3IL9AY5EQ9

BITOG thread on this oil:

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums..._1_X1_ESP_0W30
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Old November 15th, 2014, 21:48   #22
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Just a PSA for those who are using this oil.

http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/...a_M_5W-40.aspx

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Discontinued - Mobil 1 ESP Formula M 5W-40 is being replaced by Mobil 1™ ESP X1 0W-30.
With this development would it be safe to assume that I would get nods of agreement and approval that it would be a prudent course of action to utilize Mobil 1 ESP 5W-30 which is on the VW approved list for 504 00/ 507 00 oils for my brand new 2015 Golf TDI SE with 6 speed manual transmission when it rolls up on it's 10,000 mile oil change and that looking for a batch on sale and storing it in my garage would not be a bad idea?
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Old November 15th, 2014, 22:17   #23
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With this development would it be safe to assume that I would get nods of agreement and approval that it would be a prudent course of action to utilize Mobil 1 ESP 5W-30 which is on the VW approved list for 504 00/ 507 00 oils for my brand new 2015 Golf TDI SE with 6 speed manual transmission when it rolls up on it's 10,000 mile oil change and that looking for a batch on sale and storing it in my garage would not be a bad idea?
Yes- use VW507 for your 2015 tdi. No need to stockpile. They haven't changed that oil, only the 5W40 version that was designed for MB diesels with DPF.
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Old November 18th, 2014, 11:33   #24
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What is the main reason(s) that Mobil 1™ ESP X1 0W-30 is not a VW 507 oil?
By reading its tech specs in terms of viscosity and HTHS it is so close to Mobil 1 ESP 5W-30 (I have not be able to find the TBN for the 5W-30 oil at this point).
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Old November 19th, 2014, 10:51   #25
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Bummer, i really liked the formula m for my 2011 common rail! I guess the 507 esp 5w-30 is my next oil. I wonder if those who have removed the dpf continue to use the low SAPS oils, or go to the more available and cheaper cj4 5w 40 diesel oils. Also if there are other good 5w 40 options that meet mb 229.51. I have heard good things about pennzoil ultra euro 5w 40, but dont think it is low SAPS.
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Old November 19th, 2014, 16:29   #26
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I googled 5w-40 mb 229.51 oils and found a pretty extensive listing. Apparently the majority of 229.51 oils are 5w-30. But also dozens of 5w-40, 0w-40, and 0w-30 oils listed. I am now very interested in mobil 1 esp 0w-40 if i can find it. Valvoline synpower mst 5w-40 looks interesting, but at $9/quart it is a bit pricey. If i stock up on the formula M, will it degrade over a period of say 5 years?
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I googled 5w-40 mb 229.51 oils and found a pretty extensive listing. Apparently the majority of 229.51 oils are 5w-30. But also dozens of 5w-40, 0w-40, and 0w-30 oils listed. I am now very interested in mobil 1 esp 0w-40 if i can find it. Valvoline synpower mst 5w-40 looks interesting, but at $9/quart it is a bit pricey. If i stock up on the formula M, will it degrade over a period of say 5 years?
If you keep it sealed and in more-or-less climate controlled conditions (indoors), it'll be fine.

https://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English...helf_Life.aspx
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Sweet, thanks Bob. That was my gut feeling. I think i will stock up for another 9 changes, by then i will probably want to try something else.
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What is the consensus on Delvac-1 5W-40 ESP for a VW CR engine?

http://www.mobil.us/usa-english-lcw/...-esp-5w40.aspx

I'm thinking about using this oil after my engine warranty expires. I know it doesn't carry any VW specs but I think that point is academic. If this oil can handle modern EGR/DPF/DOC/DEF emission systems in the big rigs then it should be able to be safe to use in anything VW makes.

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What is the consensus on Delvac-1 5W-40 ESP for a VW CR engine?

http://www.mobil.us/usa-english-lcw/...-esp-5w40.aspx

I'm thinking about using this oil after my engine warranty expires. I know it doesn't carry any VW specs but I think that point is academic. If this oil can handle modern EGR/DPF/DOC/DEF emission systems in the big rigs then it should be able to be safe to use in anything VW makes.

Bob, the oil king will chime in, but if I'm not mistaken, the Ash level is too high - the specs in the link you posted show it at 1.0, and 507.00 need less than that. For instance, the 5w40 ESP that's being cancelled is at .6 %.

It would be fine if you were using your car off road on your own personal property, but the higher ash level *could* cause DPF issues
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