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Old November 6th, 2014, 20:07   #1
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Default Mobil 1 ESP Formula M 5w40 - Discontinued

Just a PSA for those who are using this oil.

http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/...a_M_5W-40.aspx

From the Mobil website:

Discontinued - Mobil 1 ESP Formula M 5W-40 is being replaced by Mobil 1 ESP X1 0W-30.
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Old November 6th, 2014, 20:09   #2
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wasn't it only Jeep/Mercedes who were using that oil?
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Old November 6th, 2014, 20:39   #3
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wasn't it only Jeep/Mercedes who were using that oil?
It is only certified to MB 229.51/229.31, but there are those with TDIs who use it too.
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Old November 6th, 2014, 21:04   #4
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So two thing that pop up at me are:

1 does the mpg improve going from 5w40 to 0w30

2. are wear metals better, same, worse with the new brew?

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Old November 6th, 2014, 22:05   #5
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It doesn't really say (that I saw) - Are they keeping the VW 507.0 approved one, the Mobil 1 ESP 5W30? It says the new one is replacing the 5W40 and the 0W30 ESP variants.

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Old November 6th, 2014, 22:33   #6
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So two thing that pop up at me are:

1 does the mpg improve going from 5w40 to 0w30

2. are wear metals better, same, worse with the new brew?
Who knows? It is not VW approved and until people post UOI results so we can compare I will keep using Mobil 1 ESP 5W-30 and that blend is proven to work just fine. Why rock the boat?
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Old November 6th, 2014, 23:11   #7
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Aww this was my favorite oil since my car has a DPF
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Aww this was my favorite oil since my car has a DPF
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It is interesting to note what I've read on the bottles of Castrol Edge Turbo Diesel Oil, 5w40, It is is a 229.51 mb and bmw endorsed for those cars with DPF. I wonder if this would work as a replacement for those who use the now disconitinued mobil oil? Here is a photo from the back of this oil:
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The Mobil One website said the ESP X1 0w/30 is the proper Mobil One oil for a 2014 Passat TDI - what does VW say? I've always liked Mobil One over the years. Previous hybrids required 0w/20 oils.
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Who knows? It is not VW approved and until people post UOI results so we can compare I will keep using Mobil 1 ESP 5W-30 and that blend is proven to work just fine. Why rock the boat?
An easy one is M1 knows!! They are just not telling/stating the specifics. So the issue is now it has to be done anecdotally to gather market data, by way of UOA's, which VERY VERY VERY few folks do. We also know how vilified anecdotal data can be and how much debate that generates.

While it is not listed on the signature, I also have the 14 MB GLK 250 BT, aka MB 229.51, 229.52. i.e.. Formula M 5w40, now M! ESP X1 0w30

So I (anecdotally) would have no issue/s using any of these ESP's in any of my VW 507.00 specification machines. (I use Mobil Delvac 5w40 and/or M1 TDT 5w40 in the 2003 Jetta TDI going on 187,000 miles and would not switch to an ESP) ESP 5w40 formula M (discontinued) , ESP 5w30 (VW 507.00) or the NEW M1 X1 0w30. It's all good.

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Hmmm no VW 505.00/ACEA A3/B4 on the X1 replacement.
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Old November 7th, 2014, 10:29   #13
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Looks like the HTHS value on this newer oil is actually lower than the ESP 5W-30.
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Looks like the HTHS value on this newer oil is actually lower than the ESP 5W-30.
Technically it is 0.08 cP lower. [about 2%]. This new oil would have to be VERY shear stable to meet the specifications it does with a starting HTHS of 3.5 cP.
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Hmmm no VW 505.00/ACEA A3/B4 on the X1 replacement.
To be fair, the two oils (ESP Formula M 5w40 and non-X1 ESP 0w30) this new one replaces don't have old VW or old ACEA performance specs either.
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