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Old June 23rd, 2017, 17:01   #2206
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Ok, I just looked at some amsoil pages and it does appear that the 5w30 esp has 507 approval. I really had no dog in this- I don't read the owners manual as gospel or even use 507 oils.
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Old June 23rd, 2017, 17:24   #2207
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Ok, I just looked at some amsoil pages and it does appear that the 5w30 esp has 507 approval. I really had no dog in this- I don't read the owners manual as gospel or even use 507 oils.
THANK YOU!

I felt like Galileo at the Inquisition.

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p.s. Unless you have a particulate filter you don't need 507.00. And if you DO have one, and get rid of the filter (for offroad use only) then you no longer need it.

If you DO have the filter I'd strongly suggest using 507.00. Particulate filters in diesels already have a checkered history. I wouldn't tempt fate.
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Old August 10th, 2017, 07:31   #2208
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How much did Castrol pay vw to have their product on vw shelfs and and the service department says if you use anything else then vw may deny warranty. 13 bucks for a group 3 engine oil and some 30 bucks for dsg oil plus tax. A rip off for a product that is inferior to other products at a lower cost.
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Old August 10th, 2017, 07:45   #2209
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507 ratings of oils. I could see as long as your car is still covered by warranty then use a 507 oil. If no warranty then a good diesel oil without the 507 BS would work fine if ones engine does not use a great deal of oil between changes. I used T6 in my 2010 that I turned in for a 2015 tdi. The T6 in the 2010 used the least amount of any oils that I every used in it. It used maybe 8 10 oz's between oil changes. My 2015 I will us a 507 only because it has a 260000 km warranty on the emissions other wise I would be using say Amsoil HDD 5W30 or the Shell T6.
I used the T6 in my 2010 tdi for some 160,000 km's or more. Each their own as to what you think is best.
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Old August 17th, 2017, 05:05   #2210
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Hey "New Mickey",

Good grief, are we still debating the whole Amsoil Cert issue from ten years ago?I posted a long novel's worth of responses on the subject myself. Now that Al Amatuzio's son and SIL are running Amsoil, I suspect they'll obtain the proper Certifications where the corporate ROI would justify it, for example with their VW 504/507 Euro Formula and BMW and Mercedes, TDI Spec oils.

FWIW, I like the new, Heavy Duty, API rated, CK-4/SN oils even better than the VW 504/507, or MB 229.51 stuff. The formulation chemistry of the "dual use" , European lubes is largely driven by the requirements of turbocharged, DI GAS engines these days (to prevent "LSPI"). So they may be less than optimal for use in modern, TDI diesels. Of course we have seen this with previous VW/Audi/Porsche lubes - specifically the VW 502.00/505.01 oils. The majority of those generated underwhelming results, based on used oil analysis....

Amsoil hasn't bothered getting VW 502.00, or VW 505.01 Certs. Since both are outdated Specifications anyway, I doubt they'll do so in the future....

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Old February 17th, 2018, 15:46   #2211
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Well as far as I am concerned Amsoil is all a hype and BS. Porsche factory rep inspected my 2017 Cayman S for engine damage. Looks like Porsche or I will be going after AMSOIL FOR ENGINE DAMAGE. Will keep you posted. All I can say is I should have kept using Mobil 1 never had any problems with Mobil 1in any of my Porsches or VW TDis
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Old March 1st, 2018, 13:38   #2212
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FYI: AMSOIL uses 40% "base oil" purchased from Mobil. AMSOIL does not have a refinery AND they truck in their oil via truck and or rail line spur in the Superior location. A personal friend of mine is one of the main oil reps for the mines in Minnesota and I asked him about AMsoil and he said AMSOIL has a "national" account with Mobil for their base stock production of AMSOIL. This friend of mine has sold my shop oil and has been in the oil business for over 35 years.......
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Old March 2nd, 2018, 04:27   #2213
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Liqui Moly Top tec 4200 is one I ran into while browsing in a Napa store. It has the 507 spec and I am reluctant to try anything without that approval. I'll try that one next time if I decide to keep the car. Canadian Tire has a European Formula oil that supposedly meets the 507 spec and I used it once. Last one though was the Castrol from the dealer again.
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Old March 2nd, 2018, 08:27   #2214
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Tell us more about this porche engine damage fue to Amsoil...
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Old March 2nd, 2018, 17:30   #2215
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Would like to disclose more info, but can’t till case is over. Hopefully I will be able to post results.Will follow my attorneys advice. Porsche still has motor. German factory rep and Porsche has motor under their possession, will keep you guys informed. To make a story short, I have been using Mobil 1, and that’s what I will keep on using.
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Would like to disclose more info, but canít till case is over. Hopefully I will be able to post results.Will follow my attorneys advice. Porsche still has motor. German factory rep and Porsche has motor under their possession, will keep you guys informed. To make a story short, I have been using Mobil 1, and thatís what I will keep on using.
You post on a forum that Amsoil caused engine damage and not tell us details? Of course people here want details. Let me guess, burning oil due to excessive wear caused by amsoil?
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Old March 24th, 2018, 16:08   #2217
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Sorry but I'm using Schaeffer 8008 Advanced European Performance Mid SAPS SAE 5W-30.
Their stamp of 507 ???
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Sorry but I'm using Schaeffer 8008 Advanced European Performance Mid SAPS SAE 5W-30.
Their stamp of 507 ???
.8% sulfated ash is Mid-SAPS in accordance to ACEA standard. 507.00 calls for .8% max.

.6% is the territory for Low-SAPS, according to ACEA.
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I see that Amsoil and other boutique oil producers now have manufacturer approved oils but at shorter OCI's. I'm guessing that class III oils populate their base stocks and the more expensive PAO's and esters are non-existent or negligible. Probably one wholesaler that sells to everyone and they just provide their own jugs. If I am going to buy a class III I will save my money and buy off the shelf at walmart for any number of less costly. brands.
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Old April 5th, 2018, 19:57   #2220
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If you look at the Noack Volatility value for the Amsoil European Car Formula 5W-30 Improved ESP oil, it is hard to conclude that it is mostly Group III. The same can be said of the Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5W-30.
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