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Old April 5th, 2007, 22:05   #46
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I was thinking of putting it in my 2003 Jetta gls tdi (63000 miles).
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Old April 5th, 2007, 22:25   #47
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I was thinking of putting it in my 2003 Jetta gls tdi (63000 miles).
Then there are many good motor oils suitable for your engine. Typically they are synthetic 5w40 oils meeting VW505.00 (or better) or API CH-4 (or better).

The easiest for you to find locally are probably Shell Rotella T (in the blue bottle, at Walmart), or Mobil 1 5w40 (at some but not all Walmarts). Castrol Syntec 5w40 is okay.

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Old April 6th, 2007, 04:03   #48
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I see you have a lot of miles on yours do you go the 10,000 miles or sooner. I am not sure if I should go 10,000 or not. The dealer said not to, but from what I read here alot of the dealers do not know what they are talking about in alot of instances. (so the question is to go 10k or not to????)
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Old April 6th, 2007, 07:51   #49
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Most of the diesel-rated 5w40 motor oils discussed in this forum will be okay for a 10k-mile oil change interval. The better ones will still have lots of reserve left at 10k, the weaker ones will be used up. This assumes that your engine is running properly, that no coolant is leaking into the oil, that the engine is not producing excess soot, etc.

My Golf has been fed a steady diet of Mobil 5w40, either Delvac 1 or the Mobil 1 equivalent, since the 5k-mile oil change. The only exception was a test last summer of Elf Evolution 0w30 last summer... a test that didn't work out very well. After I switched back, everything returned to normal.

All of my oil changes have been between 9k and 11k miles, except for one time when I stretched it out to about 14k miles. I typically add 0.25-0.50 quart of topping-up oil, but sometimes none at all.
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Old April 6th, 2007, 10:17   #50
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Thanks for the insight tornado red. I just bought mine about a month ago and am a little confused about oil. I hear the mobil one is great but the bottle doesn't say acea b3-b4 or VW505 00. I hear castrol sucks but the bottle says it meets all the specs, but it looks like I have found a great tool here at the tdi club to help me with that decision.
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Old April 6th, 2007, 12:37   #51
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Sunrg, thanx for the input. I will heed your advice as I am not that confident in my knowledge of the chemical interaction of oil additives.
Terms like labile , chelator or ligand are what counts. I would at least
like to do one UOA before switching.
WnyPat, before I joined Fred's, I took the Owner's Manual literally in regards to API ratings. So I went to Walmart and bought Rotella T in the blue bottle and ran that for about 7500 miles. Then I switched to Castrol TXT for about 8K. These seemed like very long OCI's to me, but unfortunately I never did a UOA prior to using AFL. Buckwheat's and DBW recent PD teardowns have me thinking twice. I wonder if I have the old style lifters in my Golf that seem more prone to wear failure.
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Old April 6th, 2007, 13:41   #52
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JB - the value of a DEO UOA IMHO is no where near that of your VW warranty. draining ASAP will also serve as a cleanse, reducing your soot and wear metal contaminant concentrations. if it were my TDI - i'd go to the dealer, get 5L of TXT, save the TXT receipt, discard the DEO receipt, and motor on.
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Old April 6th, 2007, 17:32   #53
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JB - the value of a DEO UOA IMHO is no where near that of your VW warranty. draining ASAP will also serve as a cleanse, reducing your soot and wear metal contaminant concentrations. if it were my TDI - i'd go to the dealer, get 5L of TXT, save the TXT receipt, discard the DEO receipt, and motor on.
Exactly what I was also thinking.
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Old April 12th, 2007, 19:05   #54
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Sorry about the format, I tried father-in-laws scanner, and didn't come out.
Total miles on car- 132,128
Total miles on oil sample- 13,005
Lab. SOS Services Fluids Analysis Laboratory (Riggs/Cat) Little Rock, Arkansas
Oil is ELF Solaris LLX 507.
Wear Metals, PPM
Al = 14
Ca = 1681
Cr = 2
Cu = 5
Fe = 51
Pb = 4
Mg = 21
Mo = 0
Ni = 3
P = 651
K = 5
Si = 4
Na = 100
Sn = 0
V = 0
Zn = 772
Oil condition Particle Count (ct/ml)
SooT = 29
Oxidation = 25
Nitrogen = 10
Sulfation = 24
Water NO
Antifreeze NO
fuel NO
Viscosity @ 100C = 12.1

Last oil analysis, Sodium was 146 most likely due to the EGR cooler leak. Now at 100. Oil was drained using the bottom drain, then finishing off with pela oil extractor to remove the oil in the filter sump.
My plan is to run this oil to 15,000 miles, then take another oil analysis and maybe replace oil at the same time.
The Castrol under $7 is looking good compaired to the $11 Elf.
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Old April 12th, 2007, 19:26   #55
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507 is starting to show some very good numbers you are about the 4th to post good numbers. The Al seems out of wack a bit but the rest is EXCELLENT.
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Over my last 4 OA's, Al recorded as following:
Total Miles / Miles on Oil / Al
97216 / 4550 / 6
108572 /11353 / 12
119124 / 10552 / 13
132128 / 13005 / 14
Numbers seem rather steady.
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Old April 12th, 2007, 20:03   #57
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Oxidation = 25
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Sulfation = 24
I have read somewhere that if oxidation plus sulfation equals 50 or greater, it's time for an oil change.

Okay, it was here: http://www.oaitesting.com/g2047.pdf

Given that you didn't get a TBN value, OXID + SULF may give you an approximate idea of the acidity of the oil. Yours is considered "excessive".
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Old April 12th, 2007, 23:24   #58
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Yes they are steady but don't you think your AL is high considering how low the rest are, 8 or 9 for this interval. Keep it up things are looking very good.
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Dr Nick says: "Hello Everybody!!"

First oil analysis, i think i'm gonna stick with 5000 for the next sample even though i know a lot of you will probably tell me to go longer. I'm pretty sure i overestimated the actual mileage on that sample.. maybe by 500 miles, one reason i did the analysis was because i lost track of my last change but judging by my fuel receipts and records i was within 500 miles of 5000.
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Great UOA. Of course keep an eye on the fuel content in future UOAs. Cheers!
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