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Old February 21st, 2005, 08:38   #31
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Old February 21st, 2005, 09:53   #32
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It for me is not about being able to run cheap oil but about availability. Is the dealer open till midnight no, are dealers located in every medium size city here no. VW has to make many changes to there cars for sale in the USA if they cannot make the car for the oil we use here or get the correct oil on the shelves of a none dealer outlets than it should not be here.
Since you say that you are in southern California, you have your wish. No new PD-TDI engine cars are available in California.
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Old February 21st, 2005, 10:05   #33
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That does not wash either if someone can buy a used pd and bring it to Ca. Why can't you guys admit what VW is doing is crazy? It's not about what I want but about what VW should be doing.
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Old February 21st, 2005, 10:20   #34
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i believe what we have here fellas is a thinly veiled case of "PD Envy"
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Old February 21st, 2005, 10:36   #35
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I don't care what other country's do I don't live there.
As I said, the world continues after the border of your county! If you have issues with buying the correct oil for a car you don't possess, I am lost for words. Or are you just stirring things up for the sake of it?
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Old February 21st, 2005, 12:12   #36
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It seems that what Dan wants is an OHV diesel engine with timing gears that can run on any oil. Turbocharging is probably out as well since it adds complexity and more parts to potentially brake.

I agree that such an engine would probably have incredible longevity and cheap & easy maintenance. What it wouldn't have, however, is the power & refinement of a modern TDI, and its emissions would be atrocious.

I bought my TDI for economy, longevity, and performance, like it says at the top of the page. To get all three you need high-quality parts, fuel, and lubricants. I know that 505.01 isn't as easy to get in North America as it should be, so I always carry a spare liter with me in the car. It's not that hard, really. The benefits of the modern TDI are more than worth it.
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Old February 21st, 2005, 13:06   #37
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I never said I would want it to run on any oil just that the correct oil is available at non dealer outlets. I use amsoil synt in my car. A push rod gear drive would give up nothing to the current motor in power or emissions and there would be plenty of room for push rods with a non cross flow head. The cam would be able to operate PD type injection but you would have too run lines to the injectors. A gear drive could be designed that could handle the stress of PD and last the life of the motor. Everything else about the motor would be the same as a PD turbo, inter cooler, fuel system VW got all that stuff right. The only drawback of a motor like this is if you tried to make it a gasser It would be down on power because the heavy valve train would limit it's high RPM performance. In other words design for the application. VW compromised and made one motor do both diesel and gas. Dan
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Old February 21st, 2005, 15:23   #38
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Just for the record a friend of mine has an old ford ranger diesel pickup the original motor died so he bought a nissan diesel motor from japan it uses pushrods. Remember my words when japan starts exporting diesels to the USA (if they ever do)I bet you they will be push rod. Dan
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Old February 21st, 2005, 15:54   #39
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Remember my words when japan starts exporting diesels to the USA (if they ever do)I bet you they will be push rod. Dan

Best Diesel Ever? Honda i-CDTI rips up the rulebook




Honda has stuck to its principles here, deciding that it would only attempt to enter the diesel market with an engine that was brilliant, groundbreaking and ahead of its time.




So, the fact that Kenichi Nagahiro, the almost mythically talented engineer who developed the VTEC, is behind the first-ever Honda diesel is very good news indeed. Ken freely admits he didnít want to make a diesel engine. But with the growing popularity of oil-burners, Honda was in danger of losing market share if it didnít come up with something new and exciting to offer the diesel market. So, instead of fighting it, Ken decided to build what Honda believes is the best diesel engine the world of derv has ever seen.


The all aluminum diesel engine is packed with cleverness. Nobody had previously figured out how to cast an alloy cylinder head strong enough to withstand a diesel unit, but Honda has developed a new construction technique called thixotropic, which does the job, and makes the lump lighter than any previous oil-burner. There are enough built in anti-friction, anti-vibration tricks that make the lump genuinely indistinguishable from a petrol unitÖ.




Specs:
Honda Accord 2.2 i-CDTI
<ul type="square">[*]Price: ~GBP20,000 [*]Engine: 2204cc, 4 cylinder, 2nd generation common rail diesel [*]Max Power: 140bhp@ 4000rpm [*]Max Torque: 251ft lbs @ 2000rpm [*]Combined Consumption: 52.3 MGP (Imperial) [*]CO2 Emission: 143g/km[*]0-62mph: 9.4 seconds [*]Max speed:130mph[/list]


Various techniques were employed to achieve the required noise level, including intelligent combustion control, a highly rigid lower block, an acoustic engine cover, an offset cylinder and a dual mass flywheel.



One of Hondaís favorite claims is that this is the only car in its class that has reached Euro 4 emissions targets without the help of a particulate filter.



Power delivery is incredibly smooth, thereís no lag at all and at no point do you feel the turbo kicking inÖeven at hi speeds, you can barely hear it working away. Not at any point, unless you were to open the window while in traffic, can you tell itís a diesel. In fact, put an unsuspecting person in this Accord and thereís a good chance they wouldnít even realize it was an oil-burner.

The only complaint would be the gearing seems incredibly high so that you would almost never need 5th gear. Driving along at 80mph, fourth gear is happy to do the work. Try putting it in 5th , however, and the engine will grumble a little. As itís unlikely you will ever need to drive any faster than 80 mph, except for the Autobahn, top gear does seem a bit redundant.




Veridct:



This is the launch of Hondaís first diesel engine, and what an entrance it has made. Plaudits for the almost uniquely engineered aluminum engine are widespread with good reason. The engine is quiet, refined, smooth and just generally miles ahead of any other diesel engine out there.



In the Accord, the i-CDTI has found its perfect partner. The refined nature of the engine is only matched by the car itself, with its great looks, stylish interior and impressive handling.



The saloon version isnít due out until February of next year with the Tourer following on a month later, but itís certainly going to be worth the wait. This Accord is going to take the diesel world by storm.



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-- Diesel Car Dec 2003




Dan, letís face it, youíre quite new here and the ďtheoriesĒ youíre offering fly in the face of reality. They contradict all rationale out there. Itís almost as is youíre stuck in some sort of time warp when it comes to wrestling with whatís happening in the world of modern diesel engine developement.

Dan, no one is importing pushrod diesels for passenger car transportation. Whatís up with that? Tell us whatís wrong.
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Old February 21st, 2005, 16:17   #40
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If this honda uses vtec or is multivalve it would have to be OHC which I would call an absolutely brilliant design. Vtec could help the top end power of a diesel which could use some help. The Japanese will squash VW if they decide to go diesel. Vtec or multivalve is a very good reason to put the cams in the head. I know I drive a DOHC vtec motor every day. Dorf I think for myself and I suppose sometimes people don't know how to deal with that. Being new here has nothing to do with it I would be that way two years from now. Dan
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Dan, I don't know what to say. Let's get back on topic and discuss this exciting new oil technology VW-AG is about to share with us!
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Old February 21st, 2005, 17:25   #42
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Well all I can say about the oil thing is this. New highly specific oils designed to not damage new after treatment systems makes a lot of sense to me. Other than that use a high quality synth and forget about it. I have decided to go with amsoil 10w40 amo for my car. I hope you think I am an interesting addition to this forum. Dan
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Old February 21st, 2005, 17:30   #43
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Dan, I commend your individuality! Good luck with your TDI and let's have a beer at TDIfest! Cheers!, Rob

back on topic - i hope the VW OEM particulate traps can be retrofit to our PDs. if they're not insanely priced i would gladly install them and use 507.00 oil in our TDIs!
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Old February 21st, 2005, 20:06   #44
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Just FYI, VW also has DOHC Diesel engines, but like Honda's, they're not available in the US right now because of our high-sulfur fuel. Once ULSD is available all over North America in summer 2006 I predict we'll see multi-valve Diesel engines with variable valve timing from almost all of the European and Japanese automakers, since they already sell such beasts where ULSD is available now.
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Old February 21st, 2005, 20:14   #45
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The honda vtec system will be the one to use. With a diesel you can only advance or retard the cams a very small amounts because of the piston to valve clearence problem. Dan
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