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Old April 23rd, 2018, 22:35   #1
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I'm moving to Jordan this summer for a three-year assignment and need a car to take there. My wife can't go, at least for now, so it'll just be me. What do you guys think would be the best car for there, assuming a realistic budget of $20K US +/- $2K? I am considering a VW Golf, a Subaru Crosstrek, a VW Tiguan Limited, or a Honda HR-V (w/ AWD).

I have some warranty concerns with bringing a car from the USA, but don't want to be forced to sell it at the end of the tour, as I would with a non U.S.-spec car. I also would like the car to be at least okay for hiking/camping, etc. there.
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Old April 24th, 2018, 05:27   #2
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I would not bother with shipping a car back and forth, nor would I want to deal with a US spec anything over there for three years.

I'd buy something slightly used THERE, use it for the time you are there, and sell it before returning home.

I do not know what cars are popular/common there, but I would likely go for a fuel efficient and reliable choice from that standpoint.

A quick google search shows Toyota holds a nearly 20% market share there, with the Prius (not sure which one, as there are many, and the one(s) sold there may be very different than those sold here) holding 15% of total sales there alone. They tend to go after smaller more fuel efficient cars it would seem. Volkswagen is not anywhere on the top 10.
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Old April 24th, 2018, 08:41   #3
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I think a Golf tdi would be great. Diesel is quite a bit cheaper than gas there.
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Old April 24th, 2018, 23:11   #5
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You may be able to find a used Toyota 4WD or AWD in a with a diesel manual there. When we visited, I saw a few and lusted after them. The wadis can be fun to explore but have inconsistent traction, so a good SUV will get you around with less worries. You'll also see diesel Land Rovers, but they are more spendy and a bit more quirky. Rust is seldom a problem there.
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Old April 24th, 2018, 23:31   #6
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A quick google search shows Toyota holds a nearly 20% market share there, with the Prius (not sure which one, as there are many, and the one(s) sold there may be very different than those sold here) holding 15% of total sales there alone. They tend to go after smaller more fuel efficient cars it would seem. Volkswagen is not anywhere on the top 10.
I just did a quick search too, and was surprised by what I found. Besides Toyota- Hyundai, Kia, Mercedes, and BMW sell very well there. I wonder why VW does so poorly. I remember watching a documentary film where a young guy from Israel drove his tired old beetle over to Jordan to get the air cooled boxer rebuilt . Maybe the whole car got refreshed. Great film(subtitles) called The Beetle. Anyhow, maybe there's a strong association between VW and old automotive tech in Jordan. Or maybe VW views it as too small a market to be worth their time.

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Old April 25th, 2018, 03:38   #7
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Volkswagen had a different following back in the '60s... the old air cooled stuff was the polar opposite of the newer (Audi derived) models. Tough, SIMPLE, sturdy, and easy to keep going.

If I had to traverse Africa, and I was offered a "new" 1965 Transporter or a "new" 2015 Transporter... I'd take the '65 in a heartbeat. May not be as fast, or as comfortable, but you'll never have to worry about any warning lights coming on, a ball joint popping out of socket from smashing into a deep rut in what passes for a road, etc. There are STILL rear engined air cooled Transporters on the roads in certain parts of Africa, as well as old carburetted Land Rovers, and old W115 MB models. Sometimes the old tech just works better in those extreme areas. The old air cooled stuff was so popular in Australia that Volkswagen built a plant there to assemble Beetles and Transporters... later on, they not only stopped building stuff there, they stopped selling stuff there altogether save for commercial vehicles. They eventually returned, but will never enjoy the market share they once had.

I think the Middle East areas have been taken over by Japanese and Korean brands largely because they are good and building things the same way Volkswagen used to: simple, cheap, reliable. Volkswagen has taken the complexity so far to the extreme and slowly but surely has removed the holdover old models from their portfolio. The Beetle was still being built largely as it had been for decades up until 2003. The T2 Transporter (albeir with an inline water cooled engine) was still in production in Brazil until just recently... a design that debuted in 1968! The T3 Transporter (again, with an updated version of an older inline water cooled engine) was being built in South Africa until 2005, alongside the A1 Golf (called the CityGolf, the car we knew of as the Rabbit)... a design from 1974.

Toyota is still building J70 Land Cruisers, a design that dates back to 1984, which is itself a facelifted modernized version of the old J40 that dates back to 1960!

Growing concern for safety, emissions, and modern conveniences are what is pushing these models away. Shame, because they are good designs. I'd buy a new diesel F60 Land Cruiser today if I could.
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A diesel landcruiser would be at the top of my list too- and they should be pretty plentiful in Jordan. Last year Kia, Hyundai, Toyota, and Lexus owned 75% of the new car sales there! So Hyundai and Toyota are really quite dominant. Cost of ownership must be a big factor.
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Volkswagen had a different following back in the '60s... the old air cooled stuff was the polar opposite of the newer (Audi derived) models. Tough, SIMPLE, sturdy, and easy to keep going.

If I had to traverse Africa, and I was offered a "new" 1965 Transporter or a "new" 2015 Transporter... I'd take the '65 in a heartbeat. May not be as fast, or as comfortable, but you'll never have to worry about any warning lights coming on, a ball joint popping out of socket from smashing into a deep rut in what passes for a road, etc. There are STILL rear engined air cooled Transporters on the roads in certain parts of Africa, as well as old carburetted Land Rovers, and old W115 MB models. Sometimes the old tech just works better in those extreme areas. The old air cooled stuff was so popular in Australia that Volkswagen built a plant there to assemble Beetles and Transporters... later on, they not only stopped building stuff there, they stopped selling stuff there altogether save for commercial vehicles. They eventually returned, but will never enjoy the market share they once had.

I think the Middle East areas have been taken over by Japanese and Korean brands largely because they are good and building things the same way Volkswagen used to: simple, cheap, reliable. Volkswagen has taken the complexity so far to the extreme and slowly but surely has removed the holdover old models from their portfolio. The Beetle was still being built largely as it had been for decades up until 2003. The T2 Transporter (albeir with an inline water cooled engine) was still in production in Brazil until just recently... a design that debuted in 1968! The T3 Transporter (again, with an updated version of an older inline water cooled engine) was being built in South Africa until 2005, alongside the A1 Golf (called the CityGolf, the car we knew of as the Rabbit)... a design from 1974.

Toyota is still building J70 Land Cruisers, a design that dates back to 1984, which is itself a facelifted modernized version of the old J40 that dates back to 1960!

Growing concern for safety, emissions, and modern conveniences are what is pushing these models away. Shame, because they are good designs. I'd buy a new diesel F60 Land Cruiser today if I could.
For what it's worth, in Israel, it's hard to get a cab that *isn't* an E class 300 series Mercedes diesel or very close . . .

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Yep, and the cab versions of the E-class I am told are closer to my Sprinter in the utilitarian sense rather than the soft luxo-performance machines marketed here.
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Nope, in Israel, what I see are sedans, pretty much identical to the E320 my daughter had here in the states . .
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Really? All the power and lane departure stuff with the fancy leather seats, 6 cylinder, and automatic transmission, sunroof, etc.? Wouldn't think a cab company would spring for all that, and wouldn't think it would hold up very well given the use either.

We had a local club member who had a W115 that was a European cab version (but was never actually used as such). It was VERY different than the W115s sold here. No power windows or locks, no sunroof, vinyl seats, and a front bench (so it could seat six people), and while it was an automatic, it had the gear selector on the column. It was a 4 cyl diesel, of course. I would have thought MB continued the trend up until present day.

Huh.... $53k cab... whodathunk? Israel is rolling in money I guess.
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Been to Jordan twice, a good buddy is from there. As has been advised, dont bring a car there unless it's a beater that you don't mind being wrecked or stolen. Vehicles with engine displacement over 2000cc are heavily taxed.

Its not a camel jockey country. Any car you can find stateside you can get there, plus more.
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Really? All the power and lane departure stuff with the fancy leather seats, 6 cylinder, and automatic transmission, sunroof, etc.? Wouldn't think a cab company would spring for all that, and wouldn't think it would hold up very well given the use either.

We had a local club member who had a W115 that was a European cab version (but was never actually used as such). It was VERY different than the W115s sold here. No power windows or locks, no sunroof, vinyl seats, and a front bench (so it could seat six people), and while it was an automatic, it had the gear selector on the column. It was a 4 cyl diesel, of course. I would have thought MB continued the trend up until present day.

Huh.... $53k cab... whodathunk? Israel is rolling in money I guess.
Older and more sparse, but yes . . . but typically diesel and manuals. I think they are a lot cheaper over there (and offered in plainer variants), and they tend to be in very good shape.

And yes, the country is doing well - their primary export is technology . . . .
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