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Old October 6th, 2017, 10:45   #16
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If you're adamant about not getting the fix your best option is to never take the car to the dealer. Even if you have a lock on the port, and insist that they not update the car when it's there, word may not get to the right person and it may happen anyway.
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Old October 6th, 2017, 11:57   #17
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Lock on the OBDII port seems like a giant red flag to me. Generally only someone with a tune has something like this. I would bet this would gate any warranty repairs until they checked the tune. Then they may refuse warranty work. If you don't want them to know don't take it there.
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Old October 6th, 2017, 12:17   #18
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If the vin hasn't had any repairs or recalls, when it gets in the door and typed in, it'll get addressed.

I bought a used 96 truck from my buddy, who neglected anything dealer recalled on.

I bought it with a smoked gearbox. Swapped it. Still had issues, although it would actually drive until it got to temp.
. Took it to dealer, they repaired the questionable solenoid in the valve body.

I got it back, and opened the hood, and there were like 6 new shiny things under there, upon those and reading the invoice, updates to the tcm and pcm, abs module, something in the throttle body, I think the water pump? , all $0 besides the valve body repair I actually specified.

They don't care. They follow steps. If it's a recall or update company wide on their product, they'll follow through like a mindless drone.

You driving in there with a road block on the data port is bound to add notes against your VIN....

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Old October 6th, 2017, 16:42   #19
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Thanks for all the responses, guys! A lot of good insight here.

I believe it's worth the nuisance factor and intend to buy one once they're available on the market. I thought folks here would remember some months back that a fellow on this forum reported that his Gen 3 was given the Phase I "fix" while his car was in the shop for some warranty repair. He was scheduled for a buy back, but the dealer still did the "fix" on his car without his consent.

Also, it's less defensible from a civil/legal perspective, if something detrimental is done to my vehicle once I've received information to gain my consent to remove the lock. I know it's not a perfect safeguard, but it is something.
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Old October 7th, 2017, 05:40   #20
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<snip> Despite what the car guys like us think, not everyone is a gearhead.
This is a very good point. I, for example, am in the "gray area" between the ordinary driver / consumer and gearhead. My main motivation is to have a car that is engaging and fun to drive (which is why we have a VW and a SAAB), but the bottom line is that it is reliable, reasonably efficient, and will get us and our stuff from point A to point B.
But, on the other hand, I've done routine maintenance on all our cars going back 50 years....I just know when stop at the oil & filter changes level and take the car in to someone like "oilhammer" for my timing belt service or noisy CV joint.
As to the OP, yes, as I am signed up for the buyback (which will happen late next year), and I don't want the dealer putting in the fix, thereby disqualifying me from the buyback. But I regard an OBD port lock as being extreme. When I took the car in for some recall or other, I had a conversation with the service writer on this subject, where I was informed that it would take a phone call with VW where I would have to verbally authorize the fix before they would do it. That's enough protection for me.
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Old October 7th, 2017, 13:53   #21
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Imvho the only reason to install one is to prevent, For a very short while, access to the port by law enforcement after a crash. Otherwise it will take just a short walk to the tool box to get something to remove it. On my F 250 you can use a long shank home despot masterlock to prevent access but my tinfoil hat got crumpled last time I locked the port.

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Old October 7th, 2017, 16:23   #22
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Imvho the only reason to install one is to prevent, For a very short while, access to the port by law enforcement after a crash. Otherwise it will take just a short walk to the tool box to get something to remove it. On my F 250 you can use a long shank home despot masterlock to prevent access but my tinfoil hat got crumpled last time I locked the port.
I don't know what tool you'd use to get this lock off without breaking the whole OBD II port off the car. What did you have in mind?
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This is a very good point. I, for example, am in the "gray area" between the ordinary driver / consumer and gearhead. My main motivation is to have a car that is engaging and fun to drive (which is why we have a VW and a SAAB), but the bottom line is that it is reliable, reasonably efficient, and will get us and our stuff from point A to point B.
But, on the other hand, I've done routine maintenance on all our cars going back 50 years....I just know when stop at the oil & filter changes level and take the car in to someone like "oilhammer" for my timing belt service or noisy CV joint.
As to the OP, yes, as I am signed up for the buyback (which will happen late next year), and I don't want the dealer putting in the fix, thereby disqualifying me from the buyback. But I regard an OBD port lock as being extreme. When I took the car in for some recall or other, I had a conversation with the service writer on this subject, where I was informed that it would take a phone call with VW where I would have to verbally authorize the fix before they would do it. That's enough protection for me.
Thanks for your post. I showed it to the local diesel mechanic here and he said about the same thing as everyone else as far as extremity and nuisance from the mechanic's point of view, but then he also said that he could see exactly why someone would want it from a consumer's point of view.
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I don't know what tool you'd use to get this lock off without breaking the whole OBD II port off the car. What did you have in mind?
Since your picture doesn't show any proprietary lock mechanisms, probably any one of a batch of driver bits that I have. Probably even a direct fit for a harbor fright security set or and old flat tipped screwdriver. Probably wouldn't even mar the screw recess.
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Since your picture doesn't show any proprietary lock mechanisms, probably any one of a batch of driver bits that I have. Probably even a direct fit for a harbor fright security set or and old flat tipped screwdriver. Probably wouldn't even mar the screw recess.
A lot of people have tried to get it open with things from screw drivers to pliers. There's no flat on the lock mechanism to grip. One guy said he could get the lock off with some channel locks, but that he would destroy the port doing so, since everything would come off. Without the key, you can't take it off non-destructively. It's kinda neat that way.

From what I can see on the bem auto website, they've been making their own proprietary lock mechanism for something like 25 years for the military, and they decided to use it on this item and their other low security locking items they sell on their website. It is a very simple mechanism, though.
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I don't know what tool you'd use to get this lock off without breaking the whole OBD II port off the car. What did you have in mind?
Something like Irwin Hanson 53227 or 394001.
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Something like Irwin Hanson 53227 or 394001.
I think you have to have flats for those to work, even if the corners of the hex get rounded off. This mechanism doesn't have flats.
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I think you have to have flats for those to work, even if the corners of the hex get rounded off. This mechanism doesn't have flats.
They are designed to remove rounded bolts and nuts or to be inserted into a hole drilled into a broken bolt, depending on what the situation is.
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They are designed to remove rounded bolts and nuts or to be inserted into a hole drilled into a broken bolt, depending on what the situation is.
I saw that on Amazon and YouTube when I looked up the tool. The one that works on "rounded" bolts needs flats to dig into. The one that you drill into a broken bolt would be back to what I said about not being able to open the lock non-destructively without the key.
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I saw that on Amazon and YouTube when I looked up the tool. The one that works on "rounded" bolts needs flats to dig into. The one that you drill into a broken bolt would be back to what I said about not being able to open the lock non-destructively without the key.
It doesn't need flats. Rather than reading about it on the innerwebs, I have used then to removed broken bolts that had enough sticking up to grab on to. And you only mentioned not destroying the OBD port.
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