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Old October 2nd, 2019, 08:19   #31
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That's why I referred to it as a 'paradigm'. You go to the 'gas station'. My point is that we need to get out of that mindset. Instead of having a place to get fuel... put the 'fuel' at the places you park for other purposes. I've met new EV owners (mostly renters) that seemingly have that locked in their brain. I go to the gas station to get gas... I go to X to charge my car...

IMO having a specific place to charge your car like this former gas station is silly. Put the place to charge your car where you go to do other things. At a rest area, at a IHOP, at work, at the gym, at a movie theatre and at home.

I'm traveling from WA to NM. The hotel I chose has 6 HPWCs. I chose it for that reason....
One of our Y's has four charging stations next to it. Put in by the developer, not the Y. So, yes, you could plug in while working out. Although, I don't think I've ever noticed more than one car there. Location in the parking lot is also poorly laid out. All four are grouped together in a tight dead corner. Would have made more sense to put them in an island configuration in the middle of the lot.
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Old October 2nd, 2019, 18:30   #32
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IMO having a specific place to charge your car like this former gas station is silly. Put the place to charge your car where you go to do other things. At a rest area, at a IHOP, at work, at the gym, at a movie theatre and at home.
This is already happening. Since it's electrical, proliferation is easy. Liquid fuel requires special permitting, EPA/environmental considerations, fire marshal approval etc

EV charging? - run a cable from your meter to a charging box. Maybe a simple permit. Done.

My hospital already has these in the public parking lot.
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Old October 4th, 2019, 20:43   #33
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Old October 4th, 2019, 22:13   #34
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That's why I referred to it as a 'paradigm'. You go to the 'gas station'. My point is that we need to get out of that mindset. Instead of having a place to get fuel... put the 'fuel' at the places you park for other purposes.
I totally understand the 'Paradigm' issue. If I have a slow Saturday afternoon, I'll go snag some L2 charge (30 miles per hour) in the parking lot at one of the local municipalities which currently offers free charging. This setup won't last forever...

In some areas, some stand alone dept stores like Kohls were installing EV chargers for customers. Certainly, my local mall has Tesla chargers, but the same mall has a Tesla store and a Tiffany & Co. I think the only charging connection they have that fits my e-Golf is a 120v wall outlet to use with my own charger.

With the new Rivian and electric F-150's on the way, Home Depot and Lowes better get with the program and toss some chargers in the parking lot where the ICE cars won't park.

The location part seems to be the challenge to 'paradigm' charging. If you put the chargers up front like handicapped spaces, ICE vehicles will invariably use them without batting an eye. If you put them out in the back lot, nobody wants to walk that far.
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Old October 4th, 2019, 22:39   #35
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With the number of angry idiots out there, I'd rather park an EV (or anything nice) away from the masses. Some elderly gross woman in Colorado made the local news this week by severely keying a strangers model 3 in a high school parking lot. I'm sure that sort of thing isn't rare.
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Old October 5th, 2019, 13:31   #36
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With the number of angry idiots out there, I'd rather park an EV (or anything nice) away from the masses. Some elderly gross woman in Colorado made the local news this week by severely keying a strangers model 3 in a high school parking lot. I'm sure that sort of thing isn't rare.
I've never understood the anger. I'm angry with ICE because the reality is it's a from of inter-generational theft and more than a little pathetic... what's to be angry about with EVs? Is it just change that makes people angry?

But the best way to reduce it is to make EVs the norm.

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Old October 6th, 2019, 08:08   #37
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I've never understood the anger. I'm angry with ICE because the reality is it's a from of inter-generational theft and more than a little pathetic... what's to be angry about with EVs? Is it just change that makes people angry?

But the best way to reduce it is to make EVs the norm.
She probably just got word of how her taxdollars are subsidising the costs of EV's for the wealthy.
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Old October 6th, 2019, 14:17   #38
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She probably just got word of how her taxdollars are subsidising the costs of EV's for the wealthy.
More likely she caught a reflection of her hideous form in the paint, and couldn't handle it. Just an ugly person doing ugly things.
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Old October 6th, 2019, 15:45   #39
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I'm angry with ICE because the reality is it's a from of inter-generational theft and more than a little pathetic...
Inter-generational theft, that's rich. Are telling me that "nothing" you do uses any more than the bare minimum resources needed for you to exist here? Future generations will use whatever resources that are available to them at the time just as we do. They may not even need oil in the future. What makes me angry is people who think they have the right to control other people's lives just because they think they know better. I don't go out of my way to use excess amounts of resources but I will use what I want to make my life as enjoyable and comfortable as I want without any concern for anyone's anger over inter-generational theft of resources.
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Are telling me that "nothing" you do uses any more than the bare minimum resources needed for you to exist here?
Ah yes, this argument is just one small step away from the ever so logical argument of "Y0U wOulD kILl YouRseLF iF yOu rEAlLy cAreD abOUt tHe ENviRONmEnt!"
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Not any more than my living a normal pleasant life is theft from future generations.
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normal pleasant life
Slaves used to be part of a normal pleasant life too, if you weren't salve.

"Normal" has little to do with morality.
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Old October 7th, 2019, 07:44   #43
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Can we, at a minimum, try to stay close to the topic?
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Gas stations adding fast chargers is quite common in western europe. Though they generally aren't pulling the pumps just yet.
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Old October 7th, 2019, 08:17   #45
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Yes please about staying on topic.

I see EV growth rate more promising in places like Western Europe, Japan, China and very specific areas of North America like densely populated cities in the NE and West Coast.

In the next few years and beyond, a second EV vehicle for, mostly city driving, might be a convenient/economical option for some households in North America. I am thinking of something like a used Kia Soul EV for no more than $15,000. You can charge it at home without much additional expense. Not much more additional preventive maintenance. No need to charge it during the day at a 'EV Charging Station', just every night at home and you are done
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