Recurring code

Hi all,

I keep a pretty good eye on my TDI with Vagcom, and a code has appeared that appears to be significant (see below). Trying to clear it just causes it to come back immediately. My TDI has about 101k on it, this code appears to be tagged to an event that occurred around 84k. The car seems to be running fine! So, is my instrument control module bad, or does this code have some other meaning?

Thanks,

Steve.

Address 17: Instruments Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-17.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 920 973 DX HW: 1K0 920 973 DX
Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT 3HL 1610
Revision: V0003000 Serial number: VWZ7Z0F4477664
Coding: 0023203
Shop #: WSC 65536 154 468614
VCID: 8608BEE5F13C8C3

1 Fault Found:
00003 - Control Module
014 - Defective
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01101110
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Mileage: 135888 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2000.00.00
Time: 02:55:32

If you don't have any problem with instrument cluster I would just ignore it.

jetta said:

If you don't have any problem with instrument cluster I would just ignore it.

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Yep, I'm leaning in that direction, but the computer engineer in me is curious about the reason for the code, when everything seems just fine. I drive my TDI about 120 miles a day and it's just purring along. I do, however, totally depend on the car so I don't want to ignore an important issue or let stuff build up.

If I understand what you are saying, you are suggesting ignoring the CEL because you have determined it is not a problem. If so ask yourself this: How ill I know that something new has come up and the light can't let you know it now has a new problem since you are ignoring it.

Joe_Meehan said:

If I understand what you are saying, you are suggesting ignoring the CEL because you have determined it is not a problem. If so ask yourself this: How ill I know that something new has come up and the light can't let you know it now has a new problem since you are ignoring it.

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Joe,

I'm not suggesting I ignore the code, nor have I determined that there isn't a problem. Let's just put it this way -- if there IS a problem, it's not obvious. That code has appeared for a reason, however, and I would really like to know what that is so I can make an informed decision about what to do.

Steve.

Joe_Meehan said:

If I understand what you are saying, you are suggesting ignoring the CEL because you have determined it is not a problem.

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The OP didn't say anything about a Check Engine Light. A fault code and a Check Enging Light are not the same thing.

dieselrox said:

That code has appeared for a reason, however, and I would really like to know what that is so I can make an informed decision about what to do.

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Have you owned this car since new? Or more specifically, did you own it when it had 135888 km on it?

-Uwe-

Uwe said:

Have you owned this car since new? Or more specifically, did you own it when it had 135888 km on it?

-Uwe-

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Yep, I'm the original owner. My TDI is heavily pampered and I keep a close eye on stuff. I scan with Vagcom once every few months or so just for good measure. Although I can't be certain, I believe I did a Vagcom scan a few months ago, which would probably have been after the 135888km mark, and I never saw that code. In any case -- the code is there and doesn't want to go away. As far as I can tell, the instruments are all working normally.

Steve.

That cluster has been replaced in past , correct?
Other strange thing is it shows 135888 km/84K miles in that first post when fault was present.
How long ago did you scan that?

jetta said:

That cluster has been replaced in past , correct?
Other strange thing is it shows 135888 km/84K miles in that first post when fault was present.
How long ago did you scan that?

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Found an old repair receipt from the dealer when it was still under warranty. At 39k miles, the instrument cluster was replaced because the multifunction display kept going blank. I'm absolutely certain that I've run several Vagcom scans since then, never seen this error until just recently.

The fact that it shows 84k miles as the failure point (the car currently has 101k on it) is indeed odd. The other strange thing is that the car seems to run just fine, and I'm still not able to find anything wrong with the instruments, unless of course it's something that wouldn't be visible.

I've gone back through my records (and my sketchy memory) and it's entirely possible that I haven't scanned the car in a while. I put 120 miles a day on it since moving to Arizona a few months ago. It's possible that something went wrong at 84k miles and I just didn't pick it up until now.

Still .. I'd likie to track down the cause of this and cure it. There's a reason that code is being thrown...and a reason it can't be cleared...

Steve.

Just for the heck of it, I did a complete rescan. The results are below. There are a couple of intermittent codes that are back since yesterday -- the door control module stuff. The radio codes I know about, it's due to the installation of wiring for an aftermarket sub. Those codes have been there forever and are caused by the break in the radio speaker wiring for the subwoofer tap.

Joy, joy...looks like I'll have to investigate the door control module codes as well.

Steve.



VCDS Version: Release 11.11.2
Data version: 20120126

Sunday,12,February,2012,17:28:50:13319

Chassis Type: 1K0
Scan: 01 03 08 09 0F 15 16 17 19 1C 25 36 42 44 46 47 52 56 62 65
72 7D

VIN: 3VWDT71K06M024173 Mileage: 163000km/101283miles

00-Steering Angle Sensor -- Status: OK 0000
01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
0F-Digital Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: Malfunction 0010
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010
1C-Position Sensing -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
36-Seat Mem. Drvr -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
47-Sound System -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: Sporadic communication error 1000
65-Tire Pressure -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
7D-Aux. Heat -- Status: OK 0000

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Address 01: Engine Labels: 038-906-016-BEW.lbl
Part No SW: 03G 906 016 AB HW: 028 101 223 8
Component: R4 1,9L EDC G000SG 7550
Revision: --H03--- Serial number: VWZ7Z0F4477664
Coding: 0050071
Shop #: WSC 09460 444 53328
VCID: 63CE0771A24E99B

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0 0 0 0 0

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Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: 1K0-907-379-MK60-F.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 AC HW: 1K0 907 379 AC
Component: ESP FRONT MK60 0101
Revision: 00H11001
Coding: 0021122
Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
VCID: 73EE773112AE09B

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC Labels: 1K0-907-044.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 907 044 BJ HW: 1K0 907 044 BJ
Component: ClimatronicPQ35 090 0909
Revision: 00090016 Serial number: 00000000000000
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
VCID: 70E4783D63B8323

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. Labels: 3C0-937-049-23-H.lbl
Part No SW: 3C0 937 049 Q HW: 3C0 937 049 Q
Component: Bordnetz-SG H46 1501
Revision: 00H46000 Serial number: 00000000418972
Coding: 14018E234004150007140000001400000028770B5C0000
Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
VCID: 377683214656A5B

Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K1 955 119 E Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
Component: Wischer 030806 020 0501
Coding: 00038805
Shop #: WSC 00066

1 Fault Found:
01333 - Door Control Module; Rear Left (J388)
004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100100
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 131
Mileage: 163000 km
Time Indication: 0

Freeze Frame:
OFF
Voltage: 12.75 V
OFF
ON
OFF
OFF
OFF


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Address 0F: Digital Radio Labels: 8E0-035-593-XM.lbl
Part No SW: 8E0 035 593 E HW: 8E0 035 593 E
Component: SDAR XM H03 0080
Revision: 00000000 Serial number: AUZ4Z7F6042883
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
VCID: 2B5EAF518A1E11B

1 Fault Found:
02635 - Tuner Not Enabled/Activated
000 - -
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01100000
Fault Priority: 7
Fault Frequency: 122
Reset counter: 131
Mileage: 108067 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2000.00.00
Time: 16:03:38


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Address 15: Airbags Labels: 1K0-909-605.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 909 605 Q HW: 1K0 909 605 Q
Component: 6A AIRBAG VW8R 033 7900
Revision: 04033000 Serial number: 0038LD09E9NE
Coding: 0013889
Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
VCID: 3A709A157544B83

Part No: 1K0 959 339 F
Component: BF-Gewichtsens. 007 0005

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel Labels: 1K0-953-549-MY8.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 953 549 AS HW: 1K0 953 549 AS
Component: J0527 035 0070
Coding: 0002021
Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
VCID: 830EA7F1C20EB9B

Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX
Component: E0221 002 0010

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-17.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 920 973 DX HW: 1K0 920 973 DX
Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT 3HL 1610
Revision: V0003000 Serial number: VWZ7Z0F4477664
Coding: 0023203
Shop #: WSC 65536 154 468614
VCID: 8608BEE5F13C8C3

1 Fault Found:
00003 - Control Module
014 - Defective
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01101110
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Mileage: 135888 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2000.00.00
Time: 02:55:32


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Address 19: CAN Gateway Labels: 1K0-907-530.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 907 530 H HW: 1K0 907 951
Component: J533__Gateway H12 0150
Revision: H12 Serial number: 31001065271922
Coding: 3DFF0B620F001002
Shop #: WSC 09460 444 53726
VCID: 2C5CAC4D8F10163

1 Fault Found:
01333 - Door Control Module; Rear Left (J388)
004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100100
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 131
Mileage: 163000 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2000.00.00
Time: 05:11:58


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Address 1C: Position Sensing Labels: 1Kx-919-xxx-1C.lbl
Part No SW: 1K5 919 965 A HW: 1K5 919 965 A
Component: Kompass 005 0003
Revision: 00005000 Serial number: 1293324T1VVP01
Coding: 0000003
Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
VCID: 397285197042B3B

No fault code found.

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Address 25: Immobilizer Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-25.clb
Part No SW: 1K0 920 973 DX HW: 1K0 920 973 DX
Component: IMMO 3HL 1610
Revision: V0003000 Serial number: VWZ7Z0F4477664
Shop #: WSC 09460 444 53726
VCID: 8608BEE5F13C8C3

No fault code found.

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Address 36: Seat Mem. Drvr Labels: 3C0-959-760.lbl
Part No SW: 3C0 959 760 C HW: 3C0 959 760 C
Component: Sitzverstellung 1001
Revision: 00004000 Serial number: 00000000000000
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
VCID: 2D5AA149B40A1FB

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver Labels: 1K0-959-701-MAX3.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 959 701 Q HW: 1K0 959 793 M
Component: J386 TUER-SG FT 1125
Revision: 11006001 Serial number: 00000028168721
Coding: 0001463
Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
VCID: 3C7C9C0D7F70863

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist Labels: 1Kx-909-14x-44.clb
Part No: 1K1 909 144 L
Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl.069 H07 1806
Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
VCID: 346CB42D57204E3

No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv. Labels: 1K0-959-433-MAX.clb
Part No SW: 1K0 959 433 CD HW: 1K0 959 433 CD
Component: KSG PQ35 RDK 051 0215
Revision: 00051000 Serial number: 00000000000000
Coding: 13900F880186281B0904058FB0888F0488DC00
Shop #: WSC 09460 444 53726
VCID: 74EC742D17A00E3

Component: Sounder n.mounted

Component: NGS n.mounted

Component: IRUE n.mounted

No fault code found.

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Address 47: Sound System Labels: 3C0-035-456.lbl
Part No: 1K6 035 456 A
Component: 08K Audioverst. 0005
Revision: 00003000 Serial number: 00000000005679
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
VCID: 2A50AA5585E4083

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. Labels: 1K0-959-702-MAX3.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 959 702 Q HW: 1K0 959 792 M
Component: J387 TUER-SG BT 1125
Revision: 11006001 Serial number: 00000616168717
Coding: 0001462
Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
VCID: 3D7A9109646A8FB

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio Labels: 1K0-035-1xx-56.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 035 180 L HW: 1K0 035 180 L
Component: Radio DE2 016 0020
Revision: 00016000 Serial number: VWZ4Z7I2266988
Coding: 0040401
Shop #: WSC 09460 444 53328
VCID: 2952555980E203B

7 Faults Found:
00870 - Bass Speaker Front Left (R21)
011 - Open Circuit
00871 - Bass Speaker Front Right (R23)
011 - Open Circuit
00873 - Bass Speaker Rear Right (R17)
011 - Open Circuit
00874 - Treble Speaker Front Left (R20)
011 - Open Circuit
00875 - Treble Speaker Front Right (R22)
011 - Open Circuit
00876 - Treble Speaker Rear Left (R14)
011 - Open Circuit
00877 - Treble Speaker Rear Right (R16)
011 - Open Circuit

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Address 62: Door, Rear Left Labels: 1K0-959-703-GEN3.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 959 703 Q HW: 1K0 959 795 J
Component: J388 TUER-SG HL 1115
Revision: 12004001 Serial number: 00000000225444
Coding: 0001168
Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
VCID: 3E789605696C943

No fault code found.

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Address 65: Tire Pressure Labels: 3C0-959-433-65.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 959 433 CD HW: 1K0 959 433 CD
Component: RDK 0420
Revision: 00051000 Serial number: 00000000000000
Coding: 0100101
Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
VCID: 74EC742D17A00E3

No fault code found.

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Address 72: Door, Rear Right Labels: 1K0-959-704-GEN3.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 959 704 Q HW: 1K0 959 794 J
Component: J389 TUER-SG HR 1115
Revision: 12004001 Serial number: 00000000219054
Coding: 0001168
Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
VCID: 3F86EB016E669DB

No fault code found.

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Address 7D: Aux. Heat Labels: 1K0-963-235.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 963 235 E HW: 1K0 963 235 E
Component: PTC-Element 0404
Revision: 00800000 Serial number:
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
VCID: 2D5AA149B40A1FB

No fault code found.

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It is something going on with software in cluster.
Please do this.
Take picture with current miles on car.
Disconnect battery for 15-30 min. If you know take out cluster for 5 min.Put back cluster ,Connect battery back and see do you have same miles on cluster. If roll back to 84K then cluster is bricked out.
If is stays same , then check is it code there.

Here is the good thread how to pull cluster out:
http://www.myturbodiesel.com/1000q/a5/instrument-cluster-removal-jetta-golf.htm

jetta said:

It is something going on with software in cluster.
Please do this.
Take picture with current miles on car.
Disconnect battery for 15-30 min. If you know take out cluster for 5 min.Put back cluster ,Connect battery back and see do you have same miles on cluster. If roll back to 84K then cluster is bricked out.
If is stays same , then check is it code there.

Here is the good thread how to pull cluster out:
http://www.myturbodiesel.com/1000q/a5/instrument-cluster-removal-jetta-golf.htm

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Thanks for the tips and the instructions! I'll give this a go and report back on the findings.

dieselrox -

Understanding this is an older 2012 thread.... Our (ordering owner) 2006 TDI pkg 2 w/navi Jetta is having a similar VCDS error code fault. Control Module, 014 Defective.
Same instrument cluster part number, same version number, etc. Although there are a few instrument cluster malfunctions; will not allow setting of the correct time, winter tire speed, etc. 90% of the cluster is operational. lighting, speedo, RPM, gauges, etc.

OP - in the end, what was your resolve? .. I'm about to replace the original 1K0 920 973 DX instrument cluster,, for the current VW replacement. With discount its about $450. USD

If you check his stats you get this:

Last Activity: 02-21-12 03:00 PM

I don't think you will get an answer from the OP. Good thing to check on old posts like this.

@1998993C2S - Is 1K0-920-973-DX the current cluster in your car? If so it's not original, as the X at the end indicates rebuilt.

The processor does a memory self check when it firsts powers up and sets a "control module defective" fault if the memory check fails. My guess is the memory location where those functions are stored has failed. Not much different than if you boot up an older computer and watch it do its memory check before Windows splash screen comes up.

Jason

PS; it means you have to replace the cluster and program the keys (unless you have Immo delete)

1k0 920 973 dx

Gents - Silver Ghost & Lightflyer 1 ~

Many thanks for answering my cluster post. As for the instrument cluster's part number with an X suffix, my records do show a cluster replacement in the 4th year of the TDI's new car warranty; ..4yr/50K mi. .. Who'd a thunk the dealership would use a remanufactured cluster unit? .. Likely such language in the new car warranty fine print.

Anyway, the instrument cluster operates fine during general driving use,, All goes kaputt when selecting any of the steering wheel user convenience items. .. As an example when selecting say, winter tire, nothing happens. (winter tire speed alert/alarm)

Is there any hope of having this cluster serviced? I'll ask TDI fellow member/vendor: Jetta ,97

Only time new parts are required is before car is sold new. Any time after that re-manufactured parts are acceptable. Actually it is very common and sometimes new parts are not allowed unless reman are not available.

In this day and age it is very uncommon to find some one with the ability and parts to do that repair for less than the new part costs.

Jason

The memory data for my Pkg2 w/navi instruments clusters "Settings" feature is stored where? Any clues?
Using the VCDS to run through the operation of the cluster, (RPM, Speedo, idiot light warnings) is limited. The data for the "Settings" menu is elsewhere. Any clue?

#17 Instrumentation (Cluster): 1K0 920 973 D - Having a malfunction error when running a scan. Clear, and error return's in an instant.
Can bus gateway module: 1K0 970 530 H - no error's
Original vehicle owner - 100% OEM stock, production 8/2006