Passat acceleration

I was wondering about the difference in acceleration comparing the Passat to other VW CR 2.0 TDI cars.With the Passats extra weight can you notice much of a differance? It would be interesting to hear from people that have
one of each.Thanks for any replys.


2009 Jetta TDI DSG 76K
2010 Jetta TDI DSG 30k
2006 Jetta TDI DSG 78k sold

Passat: Quieter, smoother shifting DSG, isolated engine (VERY quiet), feels more substantial, did I say quieter? BUT, it's not isolated in a Honda/Toyota way. It's still very much a VW. I like the more "sophisticated" feeling, after 3 years in the 09 TDIs. Yes, it "floats" a bit more, but...I like that, at this point in my life! I'm looking forward to getting it out on the open road!

I've driven my 2012 Passat and my 09 JSW TDI back-to-back several times now. I like both of them, but the JSW is definitely "lighter" on its feet, more responsive. Neither one of them is quick "off the line", but the torque is very similar when you need to pass quickly. Neither one will win many races, but my butt-dyno tells me the Passat is, as you would expect, a tick slower...not much...

The difference, in almost all ways, is quite noticeable...except the MPG, which, in fact, seems better in the Passat (still too early to tell...)

Haven't driven the 09....but the passat pulls hard and strong. I am more than happy with the choice. It's great on the highway with plenty of power for passing etc.

If you want fast 0-60 times then you have to go with the 3.6 gasser.

Traditonally with VAG TDIs sold here, you notice the extra heft of a larger model less than you would with the comparable available gas 4 cylinder. And even then, it really only is noticeable from a standstill. Once you are moving down the road, the car goes just fine. Torque works wonders with heavy cars.

oilhammer said:

Traditonally with VAG TDIs sold here, you notice the extra heft of a larger model less than you would with the comparable available gas 4 cylinder. And even then, it really only is noticeable from a standstill. Once you are moving down the road, the car goes just fine. Torque works wonders with heavy cars.

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oilhammer is right..this thing has 236 lb ft of torque. I always tell people...generally....that HP is your 0-60 or 1/4 mile times and the torque is the actual power the engine has. The power is what you feel. HP number is only how quickly the power can be put to use.

I have the manual trans and agree that off the line not as much. Once you get into 2nd gear and surpass 1600rpm you can really feel the power kick in. It gives me a very confident feeling going down the road.

Capt. Common Rail said:

I was wondering about the difference in acceleration comparing the Passat to other VW CR 2.0 TDI cars.With the Passats extra weight can you notice much of a differance? It would be interesting to hear from people that have
one of each.Thanks for any replys.


2009 Jetta TDI DSG 76K
2010 Jetta TDI DSG 30k
2006 Jetta TDI DSG 78k sold

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Based on why I could tell during the test drive it is FASTER with even that weight, because the engine is re-tuned for performance because it has the NOx AdBlue system.

It turns out the other 2.0's are actually de-tuned for emissions.

TomB said:

Based on why I could tell during the test drive it is FASTER with even that weight, because the engine is re-tuned for performance because it has the NOx AdBlue system.

It turns out the other 2.0's are actually de-tuned for emissions.

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I understand the injection system on the passat is different as well. It makes use of the latest generation solenoid injectors which are lower cost vs. the more expensive piezeo injectors used in the other applications.

Those with the 3 pedals, did they make the clutch and brake a tad further distance from each other. I feel on the Jetta, they are to close together.

Re: Ad Blue, do you need to add "AD Blue" to the system in Passat?

One more, does the Passat have the adjustable arm rest as in 09-10 Jetta's? or eliminated as in 2011 Jetta.

Thanks, Gary

Gary,
AdBlue is an additive, located in the trunk. I think the tank size is 4.5 gal and VW claims it's good for 10K+ miles. The additive is cheaper than D2, the engine requires less emissions detuning, so it's a welcome addition in my opinion.
I believe the arm rest extends, like older models, but does not lock into a raised position.

VW calls it AdBlue but it is more commonly known as DEF (Diesel Emissions Fluid). The only catch is that there is a special adapter and the bottles purchased from the dealer are the only that fit....however.....what you can do is purchase one bottle from the dealer and then use that as a funnel and from there on get the regular DEF from someplace like Walmart.

This should not be an issue though until after the 36k miles free maintenance period is up. The dealer should top it up for you when they change your oil.

6M here and I don't notice anything unusual in the pedal spacing, works for me. The armrest slides forward-backward on one plane.

Relative to speed, I'd say it is a tad slower and a bit less athletic than the Golf TDI DSG I had, but that was to be expected, this doesn't detract from the cars performance as it scoots along nicely, I'm very impressed with it, handles normal driving situations beautifully. I would NOT trade it in for the Golf, I loved my Golf, but the Passat is better...for me. I'm also really enjoying the 6M, the Passat made me realize how much I missed shifting. And the fuel economy of this thing is unreal for such a large, powerful car, you can manage 50mpg on the highway with a little care....fingers/toes/legs crossed on reliability front.

gergg said:

6M here and I don't notice anything unusual in the pedal spacing, works for me. The armrest slides forward-backward on one plane.

Relative to speed, I'd say it is a tad slower and a bit less athletic than the Golf TDI DSG I had, but that was to be expected, this doesn't detract from the cars performance as it scoots along nicely, I'm very impressed with it, handles normal driving situations beautifully. I would NOT trade it in for the Golf, I loved my Golf, but the Passat is better...for me. I'm also really enjoying the 6M, the Passat made me realize how much I missed shifting. And the fuel economy of this thing is unreal for such a large, powerful car, you can manage 50mpg on the highway with a little care....fingers/toes/legs crossed on reliability front.

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I said it before and I will say it again. I have the base model, price, power, options, I am very happy with my choice.

50 MPG for a car this size is amazing!!!! There is zero competition!

Im super impressed with how solid the Passat feels when you drive it. The Jetta to me just felt a little rinky-dink. A bit tinny and plasticy..... The Passat feels like a $60K car.
The Passat just feels right - and - here's a strange one - its actually ok to drive slowly. I drove an Accord for 11 years and loved it but it just BEGGED to be driven fast. The Passat you can drive slowly and still enjoy it....you can cruise at 98 mph and its awesome but its one of the few cars I have ever driven that I feel content to drive almost any way.

I agree I love how solid it feels. With the MT 60mph appears to be right at the 1600rpm magic spot for cruising. If I don't set cruise though its easy to get up to 70 or 80 and not even realize it.

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I agree I love how solid it feels. With the MT 60mph appears to be right at the 1600rpm magic spot for cruising. If I don't set cruise though its easy to get up to 70 or 80 and not even realize it.

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...or 90.



Im going to get arrested in this dammed car.....

and oh yea I forgot to say - yes, the acceleration will surprise you. The best is going up long steep hills. The torque is so nice to have....

yes, the acceleration will surprise you. The best is going up long steep hills. The torque is so nice to have....

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Especially 2-4th gear, it wil get up and go....and going up hills is always fun in these cars, car laughs at hills. I've fallen in love with the diesel torque, just fun to drive....Now when I drive one of our gassers I can't wait to get back in the Passat.

vw.com doesn't list a 0-60 time for the Passat, they say the 2 door Golf TDI is 8.6 sec. I am a bit suspect of their data, however. They also say the 2 door Golf weighs 2933 lbs, the Passat SE 3360. 330 lbs. has gotta matter.

Meh, one fat chick... hardly noticeable.... just ask bobo.

gergg said:

Especially 2-4th gear, it wil get up and go....and going up hills is always fun in these cars, car laughs at hills. I've fallen in love with the diesel torque, just fun to drive....Now when I drive one of our gassers I can't wait to get back in the Passat.

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yeah the look on people's faces as you motor past is classic! again....im getting arrested....

IndigoBlueWagon said:

vw.com doesn't list a 0-60 time for the Passat, they say the 2 door Golf TDI is 8.6 sec. I am a bit suspect of their data, however.

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yeah I have to say i was a little disappointed with how hard the car pulls after 2.5K. It pulls really hard for a moment then starts to taper....it would be something if the power delivery was a bit more linear.

then I remember it still gets 45 mpg+ and I forget about all that.

Cars with lots of torque and low HP feel faster than they are.

Yeah I have the manual tdi, and it really moves up to about 50mph. Cruising down the highway at 90 it feels rock solid... Last night I took my radar detector off of my motorcycle and put it in the passat 8).

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I agree I love how solid it feels. With the MT 60mph appears to be right at the 1600rpm magic spot for cruising. If I don't set cruise though its easy to get up to 70 or 80 and not even realize it.

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Yes, I find the speed warning to be a must have in this car. I was passing traffic on a very steep incline in Colorado when I heard the "ding" and saw the instrument cluster warning me that I had exceeded 95 MPH. I can really say there was much difference between 75 and 95 and I wasn't pushing the pedal much either...

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Yes, I find the speed warning to be a must have in this car. I was passing traffic on a very steep incline in Colorado when I heard the "ding" and saw the instrument cluster warning me that I had exceeded 95 MPH. I can really say there was much difference between 75 and 95 and I wasn't pushing the pedal much either...

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Isn't the top speed just slightly above 100 mph?

huh??

100 mph limit??? where does it say that?

yeah I have to say i was a little disappointed with how hard the car pulls after 2.5K. It pulls really hard for a moment then starts to taper....it would be something if the power delivery was a bit more linear.

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I noticed this too, But I think it stops pulling hard after about 3500 rpm(basically poops out after 4K)....my Golf TDI pulled harder than the Passat after 3500 rpm's. Makes me think the Passat would really benefit from a tune. This is kind of nit-picking though as I really like this car.

VDUB_TDI_2004 said:

100 mph limit??? where does it say that?

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I believe its around 118MPH (computer limited)

I was shocked to read that the 2.5 actually is very close to the Tdi in the 0-60 time and is actually quicker 0-70, 80, 100. It also was quicker in the passing time (45-65 I think).

Elf...do you think those times will be the same after 30-40k miles, and a well broken in CR TDI? I'm going to predict not, as the TDI will have improved in efficiency and power output.

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I was shocked to read that the 2.5 actually is very close to the Tdi in the 0-60 time and is actually quicker 0-70, 80, 100. It also was quicker in the passing time (45-65 I think).

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The flatter power curve of the CR140 is what makes it close in 0 to 60, but other than that, extra shifts and less HP can't compete with the 2.5 @ 170 HP.

Diesels feel faster but often they're not. The low HP figures lose out at higher speeds.