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VW MKVI-A6 Golf family including Jetta SportWagen (~ 2010-2014) Discussions area for A6/MkVI (2010-2014) Golf and Golf Wagons (Jetta Sportwagon in the USA).

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Old May 20th, 2019, 09:23   #1
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Hey Guys,

I have a 2014 JSW 6 Speed and recently the car cranks for about 4-5 seconds before starting for the first start in the morning. Any other start during the day after that starts normal. Any ideas on what I should be checking?

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Old May 21st, 2019, 00:05   #2
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That's a more recent development on my car too, but if I depress the accelerator 2x with the key on before cranking it starts immediately like it always did. I wondered if maybe it is something about the fix, but I don't think it started immediately after. I also have a CP3 fuel pump, but again the change didn't happen immediately after installation of the pump which was also before the fix.

My fix is 2 depressions of the accelerator just before the first start of the day. Then it fires right up! The rest of the day it starts immediately without anything special, even after sitting in the parking lot all day at work. For me, it's just a first start in the morning thing. Strange, but true!
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Old May 21st, 2019, 19:03   #3
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Hey Guys,
I have a 2014 JSW 6 Speed and recently the car cranks for about 4-5 seconds before starting for the first start in the morning. Any other start during the day after that starts normal. Any ideas on what I should be checking?
Thanks,
Pat

What is a normal interval? I noticed that my push button start is really a hold button for 2-3 second start. Looked in the manual and it just says “depress briefly.” That could mean anything. Is a 3 second push and hold longer than normal? I just figured it was a difference with diesel.
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Old May 22nd, 2019, 03:34   #4
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Noticed this as well. 2013 Golf TDI with fix.

First start of the day only.

Concerning the starter button, the logic with the older cars is you have to push and hold the button until the vehicle starts. I get in, push the button once, put my seat belt on and then push and hold until it starts.

Mk7 vehicles require one quick push of the button.
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Old May 22nd, 2019, 04:14   #5
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Noticed this as well. 2013 Golf TDI with fix.

First start of the day only.

Concerning the starter button, the logic with the older cars is you have to push and hold the button until the vehicle starts. I get in, push the button once, put my seat belt on and then push and hold until it starts.

Mk7 vehicles require one quick push of the button.
So pushing and holding is normal on my model. Good deal.
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Old May 22nd, 2019, 14:20   #6
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Mine does the exact same thing, but seems to be worse when the weather is colder. I was wondering if the fuel is bleeding back into the tank over night somehow.
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Old May 22nd, 2019, 18:10   #7
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Mine seems to have started doing this as well. 2012 Golf 6MT. It doesn't seem to ALWAYS do this but sometimes does. I think it may have done it after work a couple times as well. If the engine is warm I haven't noticed it. I'll try the "pump twice".
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Old May 22nd, 2019, 18:25   #8
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It happens to me in my 2012 golf 6mt as well. I tried the pump twice thing today after work and I fired right up. Might try to pretend pump twice just to see if it's just key on time.

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Old May 23rd, 2019, 19:08   #9
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Hmm. My 2013 Golf starts right up with a couple of spins of the crank, just like my 2013 Jetta TDI did. The Golf is a post-fix TDI. I did have some warranty work done, the dealer had to replace the EGR plumbing, the DPF filter, and the cat converter. Also replaced at that time was the right drive axle and some other related parts due to a bent axle. How common is that? All at no cost to me, I just had to do was put up with driving their billboard car for 3 weeks.

I filled up today, got my best tank MPG so far, 39mpg, so that is looking better. Previous tanks were all right at 35-36mpg. The weather is much warmer now, 85* today. I don't drive the Golf to/from the golf course these days, it's Miata weather! So the Golf gets the longer trips only, which is no doubt better for the economy numbers. The Miata gets 27mpg whether I drive it nice or drive it hard. Unlike the Golf, the Miata gets up to temp within 3-5 miles, at least the coolant does, not sure about the oil, but it gets changed every spring.
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Old May 29th, 2019, 17:20   #10
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I tried the "pump twice" a few times. Mine still spins a few times before starting. It did it after work today. Doesn't do it all the time though. No apparent rhyme or reason to this that I can tell.
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Old June 16th, 2019, 04:21   #11
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My 14 JSW 6m just started doing this last week. Mine had unknown age/miles fuel filter so changed that but it did not resolve the issue.

As with some others it is not all, but some, first starts of day. I am trying to keep track of whether the previous run was very short. Just moving the car or similar. I'll try the pedal trick and report back.

If anyone comes up with anything, please let us know.
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Old June 16th, 2019, 08:48   #12
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I have to admit my pump twice routine for the first start of the day isn't successful anymore. It worked perfectly for quite a while. I'm experimenting now with pushing down the accelerator right before I begin to crank. As soon as it starts I release the accelerator. That seems to make a difference. It starts very quickly during what seems like the first cycle. I don't like to let it churn for 3 or 4 cycles, which is what happens if I don't touch the accelerator on that first start of the day.

As already discussed, it starts instantly anytime but that first time of the day. That's even true after 8-hours in the parking lot during the work day. It's just that first one in the morning for me. Just a note, I also have the CP3 pump and no auxiliary pump, but it seems that's not the issue because it's happening to many of you without the pump upgrade.
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Old June 16th, 2019, 19:16   #13
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I hate comparing apples to Dodges, but my 07 5.9 Cummins does this whenever I dont run power service. Typically with those it is injector wear, but I have been dodging the injector replacement bullet for 4 years and 60k now, 225k miles total.

Our 2011 jsw seemed to fire off differently every time we started it. Have been running power service since we bought it (only 1500 miles) but it has improved. Not as many, if any, long crank times.

I am a firm believer in additives with common rail diesels, the injectors are working 3-4 times as hard IMHO.
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Old June 17th, 2019, 06:00   #14
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Long crank time can be an issue with the EA288 engine and there is a fix

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXvHdmq0reA
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Old June 17th, 2019, 08:18   #15
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So would this be a warranty type issue? Or would you expect to have to pay to have it replaced?

Anyone have a part number?
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