KJT
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With all this talk about HPFP and frozen intercooler issues, I am considering of cancelling my order. I'm suppose to get my '12 wagon in a few weeks, will the dealer allow me to do this? Maybe I'll just go with the GTI.
I will make an assumption that your "Milton" location is Milton Ontario? If so don't fret too much about the HPFP failures. Our diesel fuel is of much higher specs than the USA fuel. As long as you don't fill'er up with gasoline you will be fine. Buy the diesel at Husky, Sunoco, Shell or any of the other high use diesel stations.Maybe I'll just stop reading these forums and try to enjoy this vehicle. I can't, some good info here. I've always liked VW's and their diesel and when I got rid of my Corrado, I knew one day I would get back into one There is always room for a VW in my driveway. I just hope this one doesn't clean my pockets dry.
Just remember that you said that if you ever have a major problem. I personally don't need that kind of joy.Personally, unless you did not really want a TDI to begin with, the outside chance of HPFP failure or iced intercooler would not bother me. It is part of the "joy" of owning a VW product.
And now your 'joy' is to spend your time poo-poo'ing on a TDI website when you no longer own a TDI.Just remember that you said that if you ever have a major problem. I personally don't need that kind of joy.
I do still own a tdi, just not a CR. I've NEVER, EVER told anyone not to buy a CR or to get rid of their current CR. Or that every CR is doomed to fail. I'm not pissed at VW and never have been. Just greatly disappointed in the two 09's we owned. I LOVED everything about those two cars. I'm sorry that you view my post as negative,but I think I've put a lot of info out there that would not have been available otherwise.And now your 'joy' is to spend your time poo-poo'ing on a TDI website when you no longer own a TDI.
I'm all for being realistic, rationalistic, and for hearing both sides of an issue. But there are too many folks who here who no longer own TDIs yet still come here to spread the 'joy' of gloom-and-doom....
Every vehicle involves a calculated risk, because things break on any and all of them.
Here you go again with your crap.If I were looking to buy a 2012 TDI, I'd wait and at least read VW's response (was due in Dec. 2011) to NHTSA's latest IR on EA11003 before committing to buy one. There may be some useful info relative to HPFP design.
The question is do you want to spend $30k on a new car with the uncertainty surrounding the HPFP. Yes, every car has problems but I would guess that most would run, not walk from such a car if the dealer said something like, "I need to inform you that there have been HPFP fuel systems replaced in previous MY TDIs that have cost owners $8k and more to fix because VWoA says the diesel fuel they pumped in their car didn't meet US spec. But don't worry, we have made improvement in the pump that allows short term deviations from the spec."
You should check your state laws on cancelling the contract. Typically, you are committed to buy once you sign (there might be a period of time to cancel but not likely). I would think the dealer would certainly work with you on purchasing a GTI (especially if it's on the lot) instead of the TDI and out of good, may simply let you cancel the contract.
No crap, just the truth according to actual data.Here you go again with your crap.
According to actual data the odds of having a problem are very low.
No crap, just the truth according to actual data.
Please tell me what is crap.
If I knew the current failure rate I would post it. The failure rate for each model year is increasing over time. I think most who bought a CR TDI are hoping that there will be no more HPFP failures of their MY but that simply won't be the case. Also, I was responding to Joe Meehan's statement that "every car has problems" post with an example to illustrate that one needs to be concerned about reliability and cost when spending $30k. You can interpret my post any way you want to.I hope you're a better golfer than analyst.
If I were a newbie reading your posts infused with implications this is such a serious problem that will affect all of us, I would run. I think you're bitter because you had a failure and in some way is trying to punish VW.
But as pknopp and several other have said, its such an uncommon issue when looking at the total picture....less than 1%.
Why don't you rewrite your BS phantom conversation with the dealer and add the words 'less than 1%" somewhere. That would paint an entirely different picture than what you are always portraying, but it would be accurate.
Every single piece of every single car will eventually fail.If I knew the current failure rate I would post it. The failure rate for each model year is increasing over time. I think most who bought a CR TDI are hoping that there will be no more HPFP failures of their MY but that simply won't be the case. Also, I was responding to Joe Meehan's statement that "every car has problems" post with an example to illustrate that one needs to be concerned about reliability and cost when spending $30k. You can interpret my post any way you want to.
The problem as I see it is not the pump being robust enough. As noted, very few are failing. It's whether or not the fix will have to be to the extent VW has taken it to or not.I simply want VW to present the facts and hopefully NHTSA will push them to do such. In fact, those of us who have had a HPFP replaced are better off in that we have the latest revision. I like the new Passat TDI and would likely buy one if I knew that these pumps are more robust than the older ones. I took one for a test drive in August.
I've not seen anyone have to pay out 8K for the IC issue.But to suggest that the HPFP failures are a non issue because it is such an "uncommon" issue shows ignorance of the history. There is no question that fuel quality affects pump life. There is no question that better pump design can mitigate the effects of poor quality fuel on pump life. There is no question that fuel quality especially lubricity is difficult to measure accurately. Also, How many people had the "false neutrals", the bad bushing in the DSG, an $8k engine repair due to an iced up innercooler and so forth. Is it less than or more than 1%? Why is VW fixing these issues? Because they can't blame it on fuel.
Oh and I am a lot better analyst than golfer.
If you're a better analyst than golfer, I'll play golf with you any time. I don't golf, but I'm thinking my chances are pretty good.If I knew the current failure rate I would post it. The failure rate for each model year is increasing over time. I think most who bought a CR TDI are hoping that there will be no more HPFP failures of their MY but that simply won't be the case. Also, I was responding to Joe Meehan's statement that "every car has problems" post with an example to illustrate that one needs to be concerned about reliability and cost when spending $30k. You can interpret my post any way you want to.
I simply want VW to present the facts and hopefully NHTSA will push them to do such. In fact, those of us who have had a HPFP replaced are better off in that we have the latest revision. I like the new Passat TDI and would likely buy one if I knew that these pumps are more robust than the older ones. I took one for a test drive in August.
But to suggest that the HPFP failures are a non issue because it is such an "uncommon" issue shows ignorance of the history. There is no question that fuel quality affects pump life. There is no question that better pump design can mitigate the effects of poor quality fuel on pump life. There is no question that fuel quality especially lubricity is difficult to measure accurately. Also, How many people had the "false neutrals", the bad bushing in the DSG, an $8k engine repair due to an iced up innercooler and so forth. Is it less than or more than 1%? Why is VW fixing these issues? Because they can't blame it on fuel.
Oh and I am a lot better analyst than golfer.
There isn't a car manufacturer that hasn't had a new car break down. There isn't a one that hasn't bought one back under lemon laws.Cancel, buy GTi.
One of my friends was so impressed with my old B4 TDi that he got one of his siblings to buy a 11 JSW TDi. Well family was all packed up going to Disney World out of WI and the HPFP gave out ghost in the smokeys......
Maybe some of you don't have wifes/family etc.... but when a car with 2 kids, wife pregnant with another decides to stop running at 1AM on a weekend, I would burn that fkr down on the side of the road. I don't know the outcome of this situation as they where so upset that I haven't heard back from them. It was because of my 430K mile original engine, VE pump etc that was so reliable they bought a new CR TDi. They bought a TSX wagon right after the car was fixed.
NO car out there is guaranteed not to break down on a road trip.One of my friends was so impressed with my old B4 TDi that he got one of his siblings to buy a 11 JSW TDi. Well family was all packed up going to Disney World out of WI and the HPFP gave out ghost in the smokeys......
Maybe some of you don't have wifes/family etc.... but when a car with 2 kids, wife pregnant with another decides to stop running at 1AM on a weekend, I would burn that fkr down on the side of the road. I don't know the outcome of this situation as they where so upset that I haven't heard back from them.
KJT, I owned a 94 Corrado VR6 (bought new), and you have nothing to worry about with the TDI in comparison to it. I don't think there was anything that didn't break on the Corrado...I've always liked VW's and their diesel and when I got rid of my Corrado, I knew one day I would get back into one There is always room for a VW in my driveway. I just hope this one doesn't clean my pockets dry.