Exhaust Flap TSB

torqueit · Mar 12, 2013

I was informed by my local dealer that there is a new TSB on the exhaust flap (typically shows up as a MIL with a P047F code error) covering the part for 10 years/120K miles.

I haven't seen the TSB but this would seem to be good news for owners who have this issue occur outside of the warranty period (I was previously told that it was not covered under emissions warranty or powertrain).

I was able to free up the flap with some PB Blaster and the code went away but will get this replaced with the dealer as soon as the code comes back (which is VERY likely).

Motox502 · Mar 12, 2013

Can you get the TSB number so I can verify it. My moms went out and I had to buy her a new one. Maybe I can get a refund....

JSWTDI09 · Mar 12, 2013

I know that there is a TSB about troubleshooting the P047F DTC and it states that they are designing a newer version of the exhaust valve. I have not seen anything about an extended warranty on this part (which does not mean it is untrue). I also do not know if/when the new version will be available. Time will tell.

Have Fun!

Don

CBRacerX · Mar 12, 2013

Subscribed. Always happy to see trouble spots get extended coverage.

epc · Mar 12, 2013

Since I've had this valve replaced by the dealer outside of warranty, is it SOP for VW to reimburse me now for the parts and labor upon my request?

740GLE · Mar 12, 2013

Waiting TSB number patiently, currently have a CEL for P047 and P048, it's been off on since December.

That'd be great news, sadly VW would eat so much coin because i'd dare say 100% of the flap valves are going to need replacement in 10 years or 120K miles, I hardly made it half the miles in just over 3 years.

STRANGETDI · Mar 12, 2013

Subscribed.....

DeezlMax · Mar 12, 2013

tsb # vwp-13-05 dated 3-12-2013

specsalot · Mar 12, 2013

Thanks for posting this DeezlMax. Flap issues represent expensive repairs.

nikhsub1 · Mar 12, 2013

So does this mean they replace them all like a recall or just when they fail?

740GLE · Mar 13, 2013

THIS NEEDS TO BE A STICKY!!!!!

Everyone driving in wet/snow weather will have this issue, and many have already shelled out $700+ to have this part replaced.

Who's going to be the first to get that $700 bucks back from VWoA after bringing this up to the dealer?

TSB isn't a recall, you have to bring the car into the dealer with a code or some sort of issue that will then direct the tech to replace the part with their guided fault finding. (same thing with the iced intercooler)

This one will be pretty easy,
are codes P047 or P048 stored? -> yes
can you operate the valve by hand? ->no
is the wiring good? -> yes

replace valve

clear codes, restart see if codes reapear.

ihatespeed · Mar 14, 2013

740GLE said:
Waiting TSB number patiently, currently have a CEL for P047 and P048, it's been off on since December.

That'd be great news, sadly VW would eat so much coin because i'd dare say 100% of the flap valves are going to need replacement in 10 years or 120K miles, I hardly made it half the miles in just over 3 years.

Mine has a very low chance of failure

scdevon · Mar 14, 2013

nikhsub1 said:
So does this mean they replace them all like a recall or just when they fail?

No. It is a TSB. If you show up with a P047f code at your dealer, there is almost a 100% chance you will get a new flap. If you're worried about your flap, you could intentionally disconnect the connector to set a code related to the flap, plug it back in, then show up at your VW dealer with the MIL lamp illuminated for your "free flap". I'm just sayin'......

salad · Mar 14, 2013

scdevon said:
No. It is a TSB. If you show up with a P047f code at your dealer, there is almost a 100% chance you will get a new flap. If you're worried about your flap, you could intentionally disconnect the connector to set a code related to the flap, plug it back in, then show up at your VW dealer with the MIL lamp illuminated for your "free flap". I'm just sayin'......

The dealer here knows nothing about it and said to call vwoa. Wonder how long it takes the dealer to get caught up.

JSWTDI09 · Mar 14, 2013

salad said:
The dealer here knows nothing about it and said to call vwoa. Wonder how long it takes the dealer to get caught up.

The dealer has the TSB in their computers. If they "know nothing" it is either because they do not pay attention to the communications from VWoA, or they just don't care. Give them the TSB number and make them look it up (while you wait). They have it - all dealers have it, it is in their computers.
tsb # vwp-13-05 dated 3-12-2013

I am trying to get a copy of it from my dealer. If I can get it, I will post it. They are usually pretty good about this kind of thing.

Have Fun!

Don

Tec80 · Mar 15, 2013

VICTORY IS OURS!!!!!!!!

Maybe the complaint I put in with EPA helped.

salad · Mar 15, 2013

JSWTDI09 said:
The dealer has the TSB in their computers. If they "know nothing" it is either because they do not pay attention to the communications from VWoA, or they just don't care. Give them the TSB number and make them look it up (while you wait). They have it - all dealers have it, it is in their computers.
tsb # vwp-13-05 dated 3-12-2013

I am trying to get a copy of it from my dealer. If I can get it, I will post it. They are usually pretty good about this kind of thing.

Have Fun!

Don

Got off the phone with VOoA and was told that only certain cars will be receiving the extension and that an appointment, my car isn't on that list, and diagnosis must be done by a dealer. When asked who is going to cover the fee, the rep waffled the question and wouldn't give a straight answer

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If you could upload a copy of that tsb, that'd be great.

Softrockrenegade · Mar 15, 2013

What if you unplugged the harness on the flap and drive around until it threw and stored a code then went in (plugged back in of course) .

soulflyer · Mar 15, 2013

Just had my flap replaced today for 500CAD... the dealer said that they extended the warranty to 160,000km for this part... I got 198,000km ... no luck on with that amount of km...

pleopard · Mar 15, 2013

160,000km? The OP mentioned 120,000 miles (193,000km)

tcp_ip_dude · Mar 15, 2013

**subscribed**

JSWTDI09 · Mar 15, 2013

Here it is:

http://pics.tdiclub.com/data/500/VWP1305_Engine_Exhaust_Flap_Limited_Warranty_Exension_2.pdf

Note: If you read the "fine print" it specifically exempts "Chipped or Tuned ECUs". If you have a tune, you should probably get it flashed back to stock before service.

Have Fun!

Don

jbright · Mar 15, 2013

I had my exhaust flap fail at 38000 miles. The dealership quoted me a price to fix it and I told them there was design flaw (based on what I had learned from the TDI Club) and insisted they should check with VW headquarters. The service rep said he would put in a call and after 20 minutes returned and said VW would fix it under warranty. This was 2 years ago, which tells me they knew back then that there was a problem. I'm glad they're finally owning up to it.

STRANGETDI · Mar 16, 2013

Thanks Don!

torqueit · Mar 16, 2013

Looks like the TSB is pretty clear on the 120K miles.

Mine seems to be working OK since I PB Blaster'd it. I'll wait until it fails again before I bring it in. I've got plenty of mileage left before I reach the 120K.

740GLE · Mar 16, 2013

scdevon said:
If you're worried about your flap, you could intentionally disconnect the connector to set a code related to the flap, plug it back in, then show up at your VW dealer with the MIL lamp illuminated for your "free flap". I'm just sayin'......

Correct that the code will be stored in the ECU but the MIL goes out once the valve is working again. I had a valve that was stuck unstuck since December, the MIL would stay on for about a week, then go away for a week.

The MIL was on when I called the dealer on Wednesday, but went off on Thursday night. Rochester VW still replaced it as they "felt binding" in the valve. What also surprised me was they replaced the clamps and the gaskets, which could have been reused.

Overall I'm so happy VW finally owned up to this flaw. Lets just see how long this new part code will last.

I actually bought the valve and have it in hand, I was just waiting for temps to rise to install it.

NewLyme · Mar 16, 2013

I was just directed to this thread. I'll be the test case for money back. My flap failed a couple months ago. The car was 11 months old, 44,xxx miles. I had the dealership fix it to the tune of $826.xx. It took one hour to due the job but they charged me two hours labor. An hour labor to read the code and one hour labor to replace the flap! When I questioned the labor charge I was told each service has a minimum labor charge. And yes they used two new clamps at $97 each! Plus tax!
I'm going there first thing Monday morning.

pawel · Mar 16, 2013

I recently fix my flap for $8.54. I used Blaster penetrating lubricant to get the spring moving again and then I used Blaster graphite dry lubricant to lubricate the spring.

Toronto · Mar 16, 2013

Im going to call them tommorow for canadian owners to find out if the warrenty is also for us . Since it says ( US dealers) on top of the page, i dont think it matters tho VWofA should include us as well

wackypete · Mar 19, 2013

"Toronto", what did you find out about this issue for Canadian owners?

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