02M Installation

boertje said:

I have a LUK in my golf that came from Ryan (i think its for the PD115) and another LUK in my Jetta that came from a local vendor which is supposed to be for the 1.8T. Finally I have the Sachs for the PD150 that I got from Ryan new. It is by far the smoothest and strongest clutch of the bunch. In fact I ordered another new one from him as a spare.

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I agree, the new ARL PD150 Stock Sachs setup has smooth soft pedal feel and probably good to 220WHP - 200WHP no prob. I think you cannot go wrong with that DMF and Ryan is offering a great price on the kit. Here are the Sachs part numbers:
Whole Kit: 2290 601 005
DMF: 2294 003 341
PP: 3082 306 533
Clutch: 1878 005 146

If you dont want a HP limit then go the South Bend route, but those are big bucks.

VDUB TECH said:

Sorry to hear about your eyebrow , yeah it would be tough without a hoist and alone...Hut ab, Eddie We usually just lift it in with 2 guys and skyack ofcourse up in the air on the hoist.Cant imagine doing one on the floor , yeah hoists spoil you...

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Thanks man! "Hut ab" is a fairly strong compliment so thanks!

I've just tuned a Gold Anni with our kit, stock DMF and SRE Paddle clutch, at 277hp it's holding up fine, for how long i wont know!

Sachs are by far the better clutch, most LUK get thrown in scrap even when they look quite new!

If you have doubts then Southbend is the route to go!

Thanks

Ry

Lots of clutch choices out there- and it can be a challenge to choose one. My stock clutch is slipping badly and I was all set to order the LUK DMF unit. Then I see that South Bend offers a new diesel TDI specific set up, and it looked even better overall. Now I see there is after all a good Sachs DMF choice- maybe better than the LUK. I don't think I'll ever see more than 130 HP and 270 lb/ft, so I guess they would all hold fine, so it comes down to smoothness in operation. Guess I'll be looking into the Sachs now!

eddie_1 said:

I agree, the new ARL PD150 Stock Sachs setup has smooth soft pedal feel and probably good to 220WHP - 200WHP no prob. I think you cannot go wrong with that DMF and Ryan is offering a great price on the kit. Here are the Sachs part numbers:
Whole Kit: 2290 601 005
DMF: 2294 003 341
PP: 3082 306 533
Clutch: 1878 005 146

If you dont want a HP limit then go the South Bend route, but those are big bucks.

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The clutch situation has been a huge problem for me with a 6 speed conversion. It would be great getting a 6 speed, but didnt want to spend another $1k on a clutch. Maybe an OEM PD150 clutch is the way to go...

dieselpower04 said:

The clutch situation has been a huge problem for me with a 6 speed conversion. It would be great getting a 6 speed, but didnt want to spend another $1k on a clutch. Maybe an OEM PD150 clutch is the way to go...

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The dual mass would die instantly with your usage! haha no point doing it twice!!

dieselpower04 said:

The clutch situation has been a huge problem for me with a 6 speed conversion. It would be great getting a 6 speed, but didnt want to spend another $1k on a clutch. Maybe an OEM PD150 clutch is the way to go...

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Yeah I agree with Ryan, that south bend setup was made for you.

ryanp said:

The dual mass would die instantly with your usage! haha no point doing it twice!!

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They just said OEM PD150 clutch was good for 220 whp?!

I only have 185 whp

Like I said I am not an expert, but this was the comment I got:

Hallo Ed,
wir haben die Zweimassenschwungräder von Sachs im Langstreckenrennen gefahren und hatten nie Probleme.
Die Anfälligen waren von Luk.
Mfg.lj5010

This was his other comment about the PD150 setup:

Wir haben diese Variante im Diesel 1,9 TDI mit 200 PS und ca 400 Nm gefahren

Maybe what Ryan means is that with extreme amounts of lead foot i.e. track activity, the DMF will give in.

eddie_1 said:

Maybe what Ryan means is that with extreme amounts of lead foot i.e. track activity, the DMF will give in.

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Seems like the luk on the 02m are hit and miss , have one used luk in a 200whp golf , no problems whatsoever.One of my customers went through 2 flywheels already in 2 years.Same setup 1722 r520 etc.But then again all the stuff we got was used.Southbend for the win do it once , do it right

Uhm, well we shall see how my used and new LUK hold up. My money is on the PD150 Sachs setup for long life. I'm only running stage 2 anyway.
Interesting that the LUK is problematic there too Eddie.
dieselpower, its not so much the HP but what you do with it and how you use it haha.

boertje said:

dieselpower, its not so much the HP but what you do with it and how you use it haha.

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If you dont use it, you lose it right

I hear that!

Ed,
What are the differences between the O2J and the DRW in the first 4 gears; seat of pants impressions?

Hi John, 1-4 no difference except shifting is a bit quicker. I think the turn distance on shift mecahnism on top of tranny is less. I read the shift fork however is brittle as it uses rivets and can break. so have to avoid rough shifting. 5th is 9% taller and 6th 23% taller than old 5th. Drove 500Kms today pushing the tranny quite a bit. I went up hills in 6th no prob. The tranny feels solid.

rocketeer928 said:

Ed - I find it amazing that you do all this work on your car while living in Deutschland. When I lived there for a year, I saw nobody do any of their own work other than a brake job. Everyone kept their cars stock.

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You are right. There are a couple of factors. First, if you want a 200HP tdi you just go get one. Then if you want to sell your car people prefer to see the service records. Then if you do mechanical mods it needs to get certification from TÜV. Hence alot of folks also just do visual mods. Also the DIY culture, as you say is not as strong as in the NA.

However despite all that, there is alot of modding/tuning work going on. After all the cars come from here! For example if you use OEM parts for your mods certification is easier since they can use existing paperwork to some extent. Hence folks who are doing their own work tend to be heavy duty, some of them even doing their own chipping (You can see this on tdiclub too for Euro members). If you surf the German forums (there are many: golf4.de, dieselschrauber, motor-talk, chiptuningforum etc), you will see there is alot going on.