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And in case you're wondering, the 2015 Audi A3 also gets the new engine.
EA288 confirmed across the board by year end
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ssamalin
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Amazing to me, first I'm learning, thanks.
GSW expected for 2015? or any other combos?
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GoFaster
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I think manufacturing of the outgoing Mk6 Golf wagon (Jetta wagon in USA) has stopped, so I don't think the combination of Mk6 Golf wagon with EA288 will exist (but I could be wrong). The new MQB Golf wagon will of course have the EA288 engine when it shows up - whenever that might be.
IndigoBlueWagon
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No EA288 in any MKVI Golf, hatch or wagon. Production has long since stopped on both. New Sportwagen will be in the US during the second quarter of 2015.
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NCS and MKVI are not the same thing. The NCS Jetta sedan is a different platform than either the MKV and a half (10-14 JSW) and the MKVI (11-14 Golf). The MKVII platform will include the Golf and GSW. I thought the current beetle (14) was also based on the MKVI platform, not the NCS.
bhtooefr
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NCS is an in-between platform between the PQ35 (Mk5/6 Golf) and MQB (Mk7 Golf) platform (although it's closer to PQ35 in most regards, and almost identical to 2010+ PQ35 cars electrically). NMS is itself a derivative of NCS, and shares the changed characteristics.
Essentially, the major differences between PQ35 and NCS are the front suspension and the ECU mounting, which on NCS are more like MQB. (There's also the solid beam rear suspension, but independent rear suspension is also available and is identical to the PQ35 cars (even sharing most part numbers).)
The NCS, NMS, and MQB front suspensions are in concept almost identical to the Mk4 front suspension (NCS even using actual Mk4-style struts (to the point that Koni has in the past recommended the same parts for both Mk4 and NCS front applications) and I believe control arm bushings), whereas the PQ35 front suspension is (of VW platforms, anyway) most similar to the Mk1 Golf (although still rather different). And, NCS, NMS, and MQB all use a vertically-mounted ECU next to the battery, rather than the old location of the rain tray.
Essentially, the major differences between PQ35 and NCS are the front suspension and the ECU mounting, which on NCS are more like MQB. (There's also the solid beam rear suspension, but independent rear suspension is also available and is identical to the PQ35 cars (even sharing most part numbers).)
The NCS, NMS, and MQB front suspensions are in concept almost identical to the Mk4 front suspension (NCS even using actual Mk4-style struts (to the point that Koni has in the past recommended the same parts for both Mk4 and NCS front applications) and I believe control arm bushings), whereas the PQ35 front suspension is (of VW platforms, anyway) most similar to the Mk1 Golf (although still rather different). And, NCS, NMS, and MQB all use a vertically-mounted ECU next to the battery, rather than the old location of the rain tray.
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PlaneCrazy
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The wagon is actually a Mk V with Mk VI cosmetic bits; so it definitely won't be getting the EA288; pretty sure the re-engineering cost wouldn't be warranted for an expiring platform well beyond its "sell before" date!
bhtooefr
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The difference between a 2010+ Mk5 car and a Mk6 Golf is the unibody welding and the glass, though. Same electrical systems, same subframes, same suspension, same chassis really. (And, on the wagon, same cosmetic bits, although those can be swapped between Mk5 Golf/Jetta/Wagons and Mk6 Golfs at will, in both directions, I believe.)
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New Jetta TDI rated 46 mpgs!
Saw the first New 2015 Jetta TDI commercial tonight, 46 highway from the EPA(667 miles per tank). While it is real improvement it is still at least 4-5 mpgs below what most will see highway....
Saw the first New 2015 Jetta TDI commercial tonight, 46 highway from the EPA(667 miles per tank). While it is real improvement it is still at least 4-5 mpgs below what most will see highway....
tomo366
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That commercial has been running for a couple weeks now...I like it
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Mk6 was used to indicate that it's the 6th (ish) generation Jetta, but you're right, it isn't exactly accurate.
The term "Mk6" does not imply a specific model (Golf/Jetta/Beetle). I used the term for consistency with the way our various forums are labeled (even though it can be misleading), such as VW MKVI-A6 Jetta Sedan (~ 2011+).
Example, the Mk1 New Beetle was actually an A4 chassis shared with the Mk4 Golf and Jettas, same with the Mk1 Audi TT.
If we want to be truly accurate in our descriptions and comparisons, we need to crank the complexity up about 10 notches like bhtooefr did.
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bhtooefr
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Or just use Typ codes. Typ 16 for both the Jetta VI and Beetle II.
oilhammer
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Yep, Typ codes work for everything, all the way back to the 1960s, and are in the VIN in the 7th and 8th places on everything from MT 1980 onward.
I believe this is 100% consistent within the VAG brands, too. This would remove the confusion of platforms with Audi brand models, the only goofy thing I can think of with this is that the 4th gen Jetta wagon carries the Golf '1J' Typ code instead of the Jetta sedan Type code of '9M' for some reason. I know technically the Jetta wagon here was the Golf Estate in many markets, but you'd think they would have given them their own Typ code.
The NCS Jetta has a Typ code of 'AJ', and the "new" Beetle has 'AT' I think.
I believe this is 100% consistent within the VAG brands, too. This would remove the confusion of platforms with Audi brand models, the only goofy thing I can think of with this is that the 4th gen Jetta wagon carries the Golf '1J' Typ code instead of the Jetta sedan Type code of '9M' for some reason. I know technically the Jetta wagon here was the Golf Estate in many markets, but you'd think they would have given them their own Typ code.
The NCS Jetta has a Typ code of 'AJ', and the "new" Beetle has 'AT' I think.
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donDavide
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Will they ever end up moving Jetta MQB platform?
bhtooefr
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Typ codes have been broken for US-market VINs since 2010, actually, and everyone's VINs since 2013 IIRC.
As far as a MQB Jetta, sure, eventually, but it seems they're gonna milk the existing platform for a while longer. The Skoda Octavia is already a Jetta-sized car on MQB, and that's my guess for what the next Jetta will be based on.
As far as a MQB Jetta, sure, eventually, but it seems they're gonna milk the existing platform for a while longer. The Skoda Octavia is already a Jetta-sized car on MQB, and that's my guess for what the next Jetta will be based on.
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I found a 2015 Jetta TDI SEL with a 6 speed manual at Crestmont VW in Pompton Plains, NJ. Silver with black interior.
tomo366
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Cool! Looking for a loaded Red one the 1690 option with the lights and safety stuff will be rare according to Chris....
52172
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Do we know if the 2015 Golf TDI will have the selective catalyst reduction system? I sure hope not. What are the power ratings in the Golf? 150hp and something like 260tq?
IndigoBlueWagon
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What is a selective catalyst reduction system? 236 torque, same as the older engine. HP is up 10.
bhtooefr
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SCR == AdBlue, and it has it, and is responsible for the significant increase in fuel economy rating. And, AdBlue is, what, $2.49/gal at a truck stop, and now the Golf has the filler in the fuel door, rather than in the trunk like the Passat.
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It absolutely will (does). All road-going diesels in the United States will have SCR, which is GOOD.
IndigoBlueWagon
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Lol, never thought of what SCR stood for. Adblue is your friend.
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Ad blue is one of the things that helps the 2013-14 passat tdi get better mileage than the Jetta with a similar engine.
tomo366
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2015 Jetta Has AD Blue
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Guess I left off the comparison years for the Jetta types. That would be 09-14.
Max Period
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Cummins pickup truck engine went SCR on MY2013.
Navistar is going SCR after their EGR-only strategy failed - it couldn't meet emission standards, guzzles fuel, and has lots of problems.
And then VW's 2.0 TDI is perhaps the last one to switch to SCR.
Navistar is going SCR after their EGR-only strategy failed - it couldn't meet emission standards, guzzles fuel, and has lots of problems.
And then VW's 2.0 TDI is perhaps the last one to switch to SCR.
tomo366
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MK 5 is 09-10 MK 6 is 11-15
bhtooefr
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But a 2010 and a 2014 have the same engine.
What did VW do to the TDI for 2015
Wonder what VW did to the Jetta TDI for 2015 to warrant the 46 mpg highway figure? They also got 10 more hp, up to 150.
With this change and addition of some much needed cameras to see at least rear corners of the car have me thinking I should trade up. Do they also have cameras to allow seeing where the front corners are too?
Ralph
Wonder what VW did to the Jetta TDI for 2015 to warrant the 46 mpg highway figure? They also got 10 more hp, up to 150.
With this change and addition of some much needed cameras to see at least rear corners of the car have me thinking I should trade up. Do they also have cameras to allow seeing where the front corners are too?
Ralph
oilhammer
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Different engine.
And SCR. Have you read through this thread at all? It is ABOUT the new engine.