Tankbuster
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On my 2011 TDI if VW replaces my DPF I'm much more likely to do the fix. If not more likely to do the buy out and get a 1.4t Jetta.
Correct, Gen 3 (and Gen 2 when the fix gets approved) do require a higher adblue dosing rate to come close to compliance. And yes, lean burn engines, like diesels, have a very difficult time reducing NOx.Gen 3 required faster urea / SCR consumption. Correct? They faced either more diesel to the LNT, or boosting SCR, to get NOx down. The problem with running lean (efficient) is it leads to greater NOx, not less, as I understand it.
I believe the whole backstory of breaking the law was partially a choice not to sacrifice the true efficiency gains VW had achieved with its EA189 motor, or I think the injection strategy you're talking about. It's like telling your engineers you want power and efficiency and, "oh, by the way can you squirt some extra diesel at those cats". In the end, the LNT strategy was never capable of even the Euro 6 spec (.07~.08/km NOx) much less our own.
Yes, indeed. I meant EPA. I need more coffee, pronto!If and when EPA/CARB (not FDA) approve fixes, there will no doubt be news releases.
I think this is a re-hash of an article they published last year. I bet the writer didn't research when updates will be available in any meaningful way. Not that anyone would tell him. I would disregard.This blog article is now saying that it would be until the end of the year when we find out whether Gen 1 and 2 engine can be fixed...I thought it would be a heck of a lot sooner, like April or so for Gen 1 and June or July for Gen 2.
Am I missing something?
http://blog.caranddriver.com/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-vw-diesel-emissions-scandal/
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Either way, the snippet of information about the Gen 3 fix about a "change in engine tone and/or volume" is representative that there has been a change in injection strategy, and a similar effect is almost assured to happen with the Gen 1 cars....
What generation would the 2012 VW Jetta 2.0 liter TDI motor be??
I talked to a nice lady at CARB. She said their office and VW are "going back and forth" on a fix for gen 1. On April 3rd it will have been 45 business days since VW's submittal deadline. What I gleaned from my phone conversation is that the deadline is not set in stone if both CARB and VW believe they are on track to a fix. I would cautiously assume, therefore, that if there's no news on or past April 3rd, hope for a fix may yet hold out, as the deadline would not be extended if negotiations were dead in the water. Of course, VW might just drag out the process and use owners who opted for the fix as a buffer against their current logistical nightmare.This blog article is now saying that it would be until the end of the year when we find out whether Gen 1 and 2 engine can be fixed...I thought it would be a heck of a lot sooner, like April or so for Gen 1 and June or July for Gen 2.
Am I missing something?
http://blog.caranddriver.com/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-vw-diesel-emissions-scandal/
Also, there was this, it's probably already posted somewhere around here by now...Dear Dealer Partners,
Today a U.S. District Court held a plea hearing, a procedural step in connection with the settlement Volkswagen reached with the U.S. government on January 11, 2017. A sentencing hearing has been scheduled for April 21, 2017 to finalize and approve the terms of this settlement.
As previously announced, the plea agreement, among other terms, will provide for the payment of a penalty of $2.8 billion and the appointment of an independent monitor for three years to ensure Volkswagen meets certain ethics and compliance commitments.
Today is another important step forward for our company, we are determined to address the misconduct that went against Volkswagen's values. As you know, we are taking significant steps to strengthen our operational processes and improve transparency across our business. We are determined to make things right for our customers, rebuild the trust of the American public and make Volkswagen an example of how a socially responsible company should act and lead in the years ahead.
We continue to work tirelessly to resolve outstanding legal issues related to the diesel matter. Last month we received preliminary approval for our 3.0L TDI V6 settlement and a final approval hearing has been scheduled for May 11, 2017. Once approved, this settlement will build on the substantial progress we are making with our 2.0L TDI program, and provide a fair resolution for our remaining affected customers in the United States.
We will ensure that you are kept updated on developments. As always, thank you for your continued partnership and support.
Best Regards,
Hinrich J. Woebcken
President & CEO, VWGoA
March 6, 2017
On February 14, 2017, the Court preliminarily approved a proposed class action settlement between Bosch and class plaintiffs related to the TDI diesel emissions matter. Today, Bosch will begin the process of sending official notice and communicating the details of their settlement to current and former owners/lessees of affected 2.0L and 3.0L TDI vehicles. Although these communications will direct consumers to the Bosch Settlement website, you may also receive questions.
The Bosch settlement is separate and apart from, and in addition to, the VW settlements. As such, we recommend that you refer and all questions you may receive regarding the Bosch settlement directly to www.BoschVWSettlement.com or to Bosch's settlement hotline at 1 (844) 305-1928.
We will keep you updated as new information becomes available. Thank you for your continued patience and cooperation.
Source?2015 fix approval allows dealer new car inventory of ~12,000 new TDIs to go on sale in the US! !!hurrah!!
approval allows for dealer sales of about 67,000 diesels from the 2015 model, and about 12,000 of which are currently in new car dealer inventory!
~12,000 new TDIs about to go on sale in the US! !!hurrah!! with two years of pent up demand for new VW diesels these things will be picked up pretty fast...
Thanks for the links2015 fix approval allows dealer new car inventory of ~12,000 new TDIs to go on sale in the US! !!hurrah!!
approval allows for dealer sales of about 67,000 diesels from the 2015 model, and about 12,000 of which are currently in new car dealer inventory!
~12,000 new TDIs about to go on sale in the US! !!hurrah!! with two years of pent up demand for new VW diesels these things will be picked up pretty fast...
https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/a...paired-diesels
http://www.reuters.com/article/volks...-idUSL2N1H7029
I would assume that part of the sales agreement is that you have to bring it back for the stage two fix. Probably give you some type of cash incentive after the fix to make sure it gets done. Now I only need to find a red GSW.Thanks for the links
I wonder how this affects people who buy them with only half of the fix done... I'd expect that those cars are not part of the settlement anymore? Even though the cars still technically need a second part of the fix?
April 30 - from Mr. Woebcken:
We are happy to say that we have completed over 215,000 buybacks to date and since receiving approval in January for the MY15 vehicles, over 5,500 emissions modifications have been completed. We expect to receive approval for emissions modifications on all other 2L vehicles in the coming months and are excited to provide more people the opportunity to stay in the car that they’ve grown to love over the years.
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A key element of our agreed upon plan to resell these vehicles is ensuring that all vehicles have received an Approved Emissions Modification, are labeled properly, and customers are made aware of any subsequent services required on the vehicle they are purchasing prior to offering for sale. Labeling and disclosures are being prepared for distribution and will arrive in your stores shortly upon your return from Las Vegas. We will also provide updates to the IN-FORM tool to ensure that you are able to implement this simply and quickly.
We will be providing further details for the resale of MY15 new stocks and buyback vehicles next week at the dealer meeting, and in the coming weeks you should be on the lookout for four key communications...
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There's more, but that's the bulk of it...
I thought the small number of 2016s had been reportedly shipped out of country and never got their EPA paperwork, so were never allowed past the port?Any news on the 2016's?