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Old July 24th, 2016, 10:01   #61
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The 1.4 has been out in Europe for a while now. I believe VW went back to a belt on the 1.4. When reading about its features, it does seem complicated. Hopefully it lasts!

I've contacted a few tuning companies to see when tunes will be released. It looks like Revo has one ready to go, unitronic is working on one, and APR might be working on one. We'll see what happens.
The 1.4 TSI we got over here on the mkV's was terrible, I don't know if the new ones are better but they have a belt now. The chains were nothing but trouble, the tensioners were bad, the chains streched etc etc and VW never admitted there were anything wrong
But it is a nice engine, pretty strong, very quiet and good on fuel.
We were about to get a TSI before we bought our mkV TDI but the frequent cam chain issues put us off.
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Old July 24th, 2016, 10:06   #62
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Early Euro 1.4 TSI had chains and it was a lemon. Timing chain failures were attributed to tensioner loosing its pressure and introducing slack in the chain
Mind boggling how VAG cant get a chain engine right while the Japanese have no issues with theirs
I think the US version has a belt
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Old July 24th, 2016, 14:08   #63
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Its a belt

http://media.vw.com/release/1037/
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Old July 29th, 2016, 08:50   #64
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Just an update. AC wasn't cooling up to par, so I took it in. 500g system was charged to 550g from the factory. Helped out a lot at low speed cooling. First all city tank, average speed 21mph for the tank, was 26.9 mpg. Not that great IMO, but it is what it is. AC use the entire tank. Get into boost and it'll use the fuel. Low rpm off boost nets incredibly good fuel mileage per readout. We will see what this tank does.
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Old August 9th, 2016, 16:38   #65
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Last tank(4th) averaged 39.9 mpg,and 38.2 since I bought it.I filled up w/93 octane non-ethanol today,and I'll use for next 3 tanks for a comparison. I can usually avg. 51-57 mpg on my way to work not using the a/c in the morning(after I get out of city,approx 18 miles).....
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Old August 9th, 2016, 16:46   #66
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That's pretty good. There are a bunch of manual '16s available around here right now, most discounted $2,500-$3,500.
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Old August 9th, 2016, 17:21   #67
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I saw a local dealer had a "hail sale" event with some 16's, some were priced in the low to mid 13's.

My drive has been all around town, and I'm lucky to have a 20 mph average over the course of the tank, hence the high 20's low 30's I see. This week I'm driving down from Lincoln, NE to Tyler, TX. I'll fill with premium non ethanol to compare to my Fort Smith Trip.
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Old August 13th, 2016, 20:24   #68
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Drove from Lincoln, NE to somewhere around Oklahoma City. Had a tail wind of 10mph the whole way, and filled up with non ethanol premium (91 octane). 510.5 miles, and it only took 11.003 gallons, so roughly 46.4 MPG. Cruise was set at 5mph over speed limit up to 75 MPH (which was the majority of it, average speed was 72 MPH for the tank).
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I wish they'd offer that engine in a stripper Golf.
I concur. In fact I'd like to see it on two Golf models: a stripper, and a "bluemotion" set up for maximum efficiency:
  • 7-speed DSG or 6-speed manual
  • LRR tires
  • Auto stop/start
  • LED lighting
  • aerodynamic enhancements

etc.

It would be a TDI-killer. Speaking of which I just recently was in the UK where we rented a 2.0L TDI Bluemotion for 2 weeks, drove it 3100 km; 6-sp manual, DAP, auto stop/start, auto headlights, rain-sensing wipers, adaptive cruise control, park assist, auto day/night rear view mirror. The only thing not automatic on the car was the transmission

Got us 5.0 L/100 km with 70-80 mph on the motorway, lots of hills. Road trip report here:

2016 UK Trip
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Old August 17th, 2016, 06:43   #70
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I concur. In fact I'd like to see it on two Golf models: a stripper, and a "bluemotion" set up for maximum efficiency:
  • 7-speed DSG or 6-speed manual
  • LRR tires
  • Auto stop/start
  • LED lighting
  • aerodynamic enhancements
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It would be a TDI-killer. Speaking of which I just recently was in the UK where we rented a 2.0L TDI Bluemotion for 2 weeks, drove it 3100 km; 6-sp manual, DAP, auto stop/start, auto headlights, rain-sensing wipers, adaptive cruise control, park assist, auto day/night rear view mirror. The only thing not automatic on the car was the transmission
Got us 5.0 L/100 km with 70-80 mph on the motorway, lots of hills. Road trip report here:
2016 UK Trip
It would never be a "TDI killer", because the smaller TDI engines, with similar non-engine related enhancements, would easily trounce any gasoline engine. The only advantage a 1.4L gas engine like that would have is its pricing, and if it didn't have to compete with a diesel, which since we'll never get one of those super efficient diesels here (or possibly ANY diesel, for that matter), it is of no consequence. And its price advantage would only be around as long as it remains free of the burdens of a particle filter...probably another 5 years at the very most. Then, the gassers, starting with the DI turbos of course, will be saddled with them just the same as the diesels have been. Which means, higher cost, more fragile bits to break, and poorer fuel economy.

So, right now, this "new" 1.4L gas engine in this market is enjoying the same advantages the ALH did when it was new. So, get it while you can I suppose. Court is still out on its longevity and how well it is for reliability. And the engine it replaced was pretty gosh darn good in that regard, but it used nearly twice the gasoline.
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It would never be a "TDI killer", because the smaller TDI engines, with similar non-engine related enhancements, would easily trounce any gasoline engine. The only advantage a 1.4L gas engine like that would have is its pricing, and if it didn't have to compete with a diesel, which since we'll never get one of those super efficient diesels here (or possibly ANY diesel, for that matter), it is of no consequence. And its price advantage would only be around as long as it remains free of the burdens of a particle filter...probably another 5 years at the very most. Then, the gassers, starting with the DI turbos of course, will be saddled with them just the same as the diesels have been. Which means, higher cost, more fragile bits to break, and poorer fuel economy.

So, right now, this "new" 1.4L gas engine in this market is enjoying the same advantages the ALH did when it was new. So, get it while you can I suppose. Court is still out on its longevity and how well it is for reliability. And the engine it replaced was pretty gosh darn good in that regard, but it used nearly twice the gasoline.
Yes I think you're right if comparing the 1.4 TSI to a 1.6 TDI as currently found in Europe. But since North Americans seem to think that about 140-150 hp is the bare minimum required for a compact car, we only get the 2.0 TDI. Or rather "got" as I think the TDI is dead in N. America at least in the compact car category (for SUVs, I think the Touareg and Audi Q5 and Q7 will need the 3.0 to compete with other diesels on the market). Against a 2.0, especially one de-tuned to pass (honestly this time) EPA, the 1.4 will do quite fine with much less plumbing, at least for now. Even the 1.8 TSI isn't all that much worse than a TDI. Compared to my wife's TDI wagon, there's only about 1.0 L/100 km difference on the highway and in our average driving mix which is mostly rural. Hardly justification for the $3k premium VW wanted. In fact, VW had to give a $1500 discount on the TDIs for that reason.

The Golf 2.0 TDI we rented in the UK a few weeks ago gave us an average of around 5.0 L/100 km in 3100 km of driving with speeds up to 80 mph on the motorway and whatever the market would bear on other roads (max to about 60 mph on "A" roads, 50 mph on "B" roads, 30 mph on single-track roads, and the odd burst to 70 mph on good A roads). I suspect my TSI would be closer to 6.5 or 7 in those conditions which makes the TDI more attractive over there. The roads we drove were mainly in Wales, Yorkshire and the Scottish Highlands and thus very hilly. In those conditions, the TDI would really shine! But for my needs on this side of the pond, a 1.4 TSI would be plenty and my 1.8 is almost overkill.
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A Polo with the 1.4 TSI would qualify as a TDI killer
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My last tank on 93 octane non-ethanol was 42.9mpg -my 6 tank avg. per fuelly is 39.8mpg. I'm doing 1 more tank of the 93 then going back to 87. I'll post the avg of my first 4 tanks w/87 and the next 4 with the 93. This mileage has been almost 95% with my a/c on due to this rotten hot summer-I don't tolerate heat as well as I used to......
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I'm up to 39.0 MPG average for all my tanks, with a few of those with dismall around town driving MPG. I just completed a trip from Texas up to Yellowstone, then to Glacier national Park, and then back to Oregon. Most of those tanks were over 40 MPG, even with driving around the parks, and cruising in between them at 75-80 MPH.

I will say, at alitude, the car needs some higher RPM's so that it can get into boost easier. Premium helped, but you could still tell it was struggling to move the car along in higher gears off boost. As long as you were above 17-1800 RPM's in 4th or 5th (less for the lower gears), power was fine. Below that, you really had to plan on getting onto the throttle a few seconds before the apex of a corner so that it would build boost and power by the time you came out. Still felt plenty strong, just had to drive it a little different.

Car has over 6000 miles on it now, and its fuel economy keeps trending upwards, as I imagine its still breaking in. My wife was driving the JSW as we had two cars for the trip. Under the same scenario, it only outdid my car in MPG in 2 of the 6 tanks for the trip.
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I finished my "premium"trial and filled up w/the regular grade last time. I haven't had to use a/c much this tank,and it shows-trending toward best one yet,and my avg.mpg on dash that remains constant is a little over 45mpg now(I haven't reset it since I accidentally did shortly after I bought car)....
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