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Old January 9th, 2014, 10:18   #1
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Default INA: TDI product offerings - billet CCV 1.9/2.0/2.5 TDI FLUIDAMPR & more

Hello Everyone,
We have now expanded our TDI offerings to 10 different components.



Pricing is as follows:
  • ALH/PD/CR 1.9 & 2.0 TDI Fluidampr - $399 USD
  • AFN/AHU/1Z 1.9 TDI Fluidampr w/auxilliary adapter for Power steering = $569 USD
  • ALH/PD - CCV PUCK - $129 USD
  • ALH/PD - Billet Oil filter housing cap w/ Oil filter = $99 USD
  • 104mm AFN/AHU/1Z Water pump pulley = $69 USD
  • AFN/AHU/1Z Power steering delete kit = $119 USD
All prices are without shipping. Please email us (click here) to order or to obtain a shipping quote.


p.s. These oil filter housing caps are sexy.



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i called them and asked if it would work with a 1.9L TDI and the guy basically said, "yeah it should" i did not get a "warm fuzzy" from the conversation, and certainly not enough to drop $400+ on a pulley
Been running one on a clients car since they first came out....
They fit CR, PD & VE (ALH) motors without any modifications.
The AAZ and older 1.9 TDI's (MK3 etc) require a 6mm spacer in order to bring the pulleys into alignment.

The Fluidampr unit (like the OEM unit) is independantly balanced. Before the Fluidampr came out with the 1.8T version , we used OEM ALH crank pulleys on modified 1.8T's with the 02J + single mass flywheel to aid in flywheel clatter (not chatter) and it helped a little. Now with the fluidampr , flywheel clatter is almost 100% removed. On 02M/02Q boxes (and other 3 shaft gearboxes) the clatter is somewhat there but not as noisy as the OEM pulley.

Food for thought but Fluidampr prefers you go through a registered dealer/developer for questions. So if you have any questions please do not hesitate to ask. I have worked with Fluidampr to develop the VR6 unit and now the 2.0 TSI unit coming out in Spring.
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Old January 9th, 2014, 11:28   #2
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Ok,I could swear that these had a different offset than the PD ?
I am the first to admit that i have been wrong before though
However,I don't understand how this damper which was designed for a gas engine will work better than the OEM pulley for the Diesel
Many of the dragrace gasoline guys use the fluid damper just because they need a SFI approved one
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Old January 9th, 2014, 11:54   #3
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Ok,I could swear that these had a different offset than the PD ?
I am the first to admit that i have been wrong before though
However,I don't understand how this damper which was designed for a gas engine will work better than the OEM pulley for the Diesel
Many of the dragrace gasoline guys use the fluid damper just because they need a SFI approved one
Just noticed your sig. Honestly , it is an honour to educate you of all people. (assuming this is Geir of course and I need to order some TDI rods ).

The OEM pulley (even the 2012 CR motor we just sold one for) uses a rubber ring for dampening which crack over time. The OEM pulley is designed by VAG Engineers for that intented engine set up as a system which will be mass produced , hence, why the 225bhp 1.8T motor has a different crank pulley (Larger rubber ring) than the 150bhp 1.8T and even the 115bhp 2.0 8V (same block) which has NO dampening ring. There is a misconception that because it was designed for a gasoline motor that it can not work on a diesel motor but what alot of people don't realise is that The fluidampr unit is a VISCOUS TORSION DAMPNER so it does not matter about application or power just so long as it has the correct mounting points (which the 1.8T and 1.9 TDI share) and correct offset.

Audi R8 , Audi TTRS , Audi RS4 , etc all come standard now with Viscous torsion dampners which is the way forward for most high performance engines.
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Old January 9th, 2014, 12:22   #4
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I am not happy with the vibration my car produces. I understand the contributing factors as I created the beast. Now I am interested in taming it some. I currently use a 14# SMF which I am sure is a big part of the issue (too light IMO). I also have urethane mounts at all three positions to control engine movement and resultant wheel hop, which I think I still need. To move forward I am considering replacing my too-light SMF with a 21-23# unit, I'm sure that would help. I am also considering the Fluidampr too.

Issam, would you be so kind as to weigh in on the order you would change these two parts in my situation. Similarly, what noticeable effect would a highly modified PD expect from a change to a Fluidampr from OE?
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Old January 9th, 2014, 12:24   #5
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Which 14 lb SMF do you have? South Bend is in the 22 lb range.
Edit : If it was me I would do the pulley first since its 15-20 mins labour time vs 5 hours to change out a flywheel.
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Old January 9th, 2014, 12:40   #6
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so what Fluidampr for Theo and me ?

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Old January 9th, 2014, 13:01   #7
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Which 14 lb SMF do you have? South Bend is in the 22 lb range.
Edit : If it was me I would do the pulley first since its 15-20 mins labour time vs 5 hours to change out a flywheel.
It is left over from a Sachs G60 clutch years ago before I went South Bend Stg II Endurance. I'm not a fan of that flywheel.

Still curious, what noticeable effect would a highly modified PD expect from a change to a Fluidampr from OE?
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Old January 9th, 2014, 13:17   #8
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Still curious, what noticeable effect would a highly modified PD expect from a change to a Fluidampr from OE?

for me the reduction in gearbox clatter would be great; we bumped up my idle to ~1k RPM, which helped tons...that combined with the solid dogbone and delrin VF mounts is a great combination, but it is still present...


p.s. - Issam....not that this is the do all end all...but good point of reference....thre are a few if you just google part number that are in the ~$380 range....however, i tend to trust summit for any issue with parts and needing to exchange things

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/fl...FUsV7Aod4EcAcA
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Old January 9th, 2014, 13:23   #9
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I took a bunch of photos and measurements before I bought one. The fluidamper is taller than factory by a small amount. The only thing it affects is the belt offset to the belt tensioner because they are so close togeather. So the solution was simple, I used one exhaust manifold heat shield per bolt hole and it was the perfect distance to space the tensioner away from the block. Absolutely 0 problems and belt lines up perfectly.

As far as did I notice a difference? I can't say because my car was down for 9 months and there wwere to many changes made when i got it back togeather to know what did what. I am happy with it, it gives me peace of mind, and it's the last one I'll ever buy. I can say I have bfi yellow mounts, single mass 22# flywheel and luk clutch from pep boys and I have very little vibrations into cabin. Honestly I think my exhaust pulses rattle the car from the straight through exhaust more than anything. When I called fluidamper the engineer I spoke with was very helpful to explain just as ina said, I got the same answer and I paid $349 for mine through usp motorsports. It's not cheap for sure, but I feel it was worth the expense.

Just use the spacers on the belt tensioner like I did.

As a side note, I also installed the arp made crank pulley bolt and you will also need The short crank pulley bolts, you can buy them from metalnerd I believe, grade 12.9, also ace hardware sells shiney chromed versions that are rated 12.9 and no I am not gonna comment on if chrome weakens the 12.9 rating that's a whole mother discussion lol.
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Old January 9th, 2014, 14:08   #10
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Just noticed your sig. Honestly , it is an honour to educate you of all people. (assuming this is Geir of course and I need to order some TDI rods ).

The OEM pulley (even the 2012 CR motor we just sold one for) uses a rubber ring for dampening which crack over time. The OEM pulley is designed by VAG Engineers for that intented engine set up as a system which will be mass produced , hence, why the 225bhp 1.8T motor has a different crank pulley (Larger rubber ring) than the 150bhp 1.8T and even the 115bhp 2.0 8V (same block) which has NO dampening ring. There is a misconception that because it was designed for a gasoline motor that it can not work on a diesel motor but what alot of people don't realise is that The fluidampr unit is a VISCOUS TORSION DAMPNER so it does not matter about application or power just so long as it has the correct mounting points (which the 1.8T and 1.9 TDI share) and correct offset.

Audi R8 , Audi TTRS , Audi RS4 , etc all come standard now with Viscous torsion dampners which is the way forward for most high performance engines.
Hi Issam
Yes,the CR and Theo's PD 16v use the pulley with the thin rubber ring
The older PD use a big fat pulley with lots of rubber.
As you described there are different pulleys (dampers) for different VAG engine's.
So that's why i am skeptical to use the fluid damper for every application even though they say it's a fancy viscous torsion damper.
Also,it's a whole different story with vibrations in the rotating assembly in a 5cylinder and V8 than a 4cyl.
And i am quite sure that the 5 and 8 cyl dampers are designed specifically for the respective engine.
And i am also quite sure that if a viscous damper could be used in all applications,then VAG would have made one for all the 4cyl engines,but they did not for a reason.

But,if the fluiddampr really works better than a stock designed pulley in some engines,sure it's a good thing
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I'm just the peanut gallery on this one but I think comparing the multitude of simple rubber dampened OE dampers for each individual OE engine application to the technology of the fluidampr is an apples to oranges comparison.

Even if it would work fantastic on every VAG engine, the viscous damper has to be more costly to produce. I can see why OEs do what they do and do not find that a plausible argument for why a Fluidampr wouldn't work better than OE on a TDI.
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Old January 9th, 2014, 14:17   #12
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Just to chime in here, I've installed Fluiddampr pulleys on 1x CR (2011 CJAA) and 1x 2013 Golf R. Both cars with Single mass Southbend clutch kits. Both of which I got from Issam @ INA FYI.

One is on our Project CR TDI Golf that we've built here and it cuts down noise by 80%, it still clatters a bit but entirely worth the investment (the car would sound like the engine had a rod knocking if not) and this car is pushing way past stock power figures ; GTB2260 turbo, Wavetrac diff, 3" Rawtek turbo back, SouthBend stage 3 DFE clutch kit, 2.0TSI front mount/SS piping.

The Golf R's clatter was cut down by 90%, you need to have a mechanic's ear to pick up on the noise left after install.

Both cars took 20mins to install, remove pulley, bolt Fluiddampr, put car outside.
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http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=212911

I didnt find this old thread first but some good reading in it
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Old January 9th, 2014, 14:44   #14
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Ok I am still trying to get admin to change my account to "registered vendor" because I don't this to come off as a sales pitch. We just work very closely with Fluidampr and I don't want there product being misrepresented.

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I didnt find this old thread first but some good reading in it
wow...its been 5 years allready
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so what Fluidampr for Theo and me ?
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The 1.8T Unit will work.

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It is left over from a Sachs G60 clutch years ago before I went South Bend Stg II Endurance. I'm not a fan of that flywheel.

Still curious, what noticeable effect would a highly modified PD expect from a change to a Fluidampr from OE?
So 02J Gearbox. You should see a noticeable reduction in flywheel clatter right off the bat. I can't promise it will 100% go away but it certainly is an upgrade over the OEM unit.

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.however, i tend to trust summit for any issue with parts and needing to exchange things
We exchange parts too

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I took a bunch of photos and measurements before I bought one. The fluidamper is taller than factory by a small amount.
Not trying to disagree with you but this is false.
the first groove in the fluidampr from the mounting face on the crankshaft timing belt cog is 13.41mm. The 1.9 TDI pulley we have here measures 13.44mm. A difference of 0.03mm ...if you can machine a 0.03mm thick washer then my hat goes off to you.
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And i am also quite sure that if a viscous damper could be used in all applications,then VAG would have made one for all the 4cyl engines,but they did not for a reason.
You allready know the answer to that and it is due to mass production. Hence why the 125bhp 2.5 20V Rabbit motor has a different unit than the 170bhp 2.5 20V Passat motor (which has the same motor but more output) and 350bhp 2.5 20V FSI found in the TTRS.
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One is on our Project CR TDI Golf that we've built here and it cuts down noise by 80%, it still clatters a bit but entirely worth the investment (the car would sound like the engine had a rod knocking if not) and this car is pushing way past stock power figures ; GTB2260 turbo, Wavetrac diff, 3" Rawtek turbo back, SouthBend stage 3 DFE clutch kit, 2.0TSI front mount/SS piping.
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Even if it would work fantastic on every VAG engine, the viscous damper has to be more costly to produce. I can see why OEs do what they do and do not find that a plausible argument for why a Fluidampr wouldn't work better than OE on a TDI.
It is more costly to produce hence why it only comes standard on the high end platforms. Comparing an OE Viscous Dampner produced for 10,000 vehicles vs an OE rubber dampner produced for 1,000,000 vehicles (in base form) is the chalk vs cheese comparison.
If you are moving from a dual mass flywheel to a single mass flywheel this should be a no brainer and has been that way in the 1.8T / 2.0 FSI world for going on 4 years now.
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If you work close to fluiddampr, can you make them produce the heavy dampr Biochoppers got from them as a prototype? I think that is what we need!
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