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Old February 6th, 2013, 19:52   #16
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This is exactly the reason why I have no intention of removing my return filter. It will stay in my car - at least until 2micron comes up with a better design.

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Mine will stay on my car. I still am using the original bracket. I do wish I got one of the new brackets simply for the elegant look of this solution! But, the original bracket certainly serves my needs.

The problem will continue to be that someone will always point out that whatever we filter out there will still be a chance of a smaller particle getting through and causing damage. Since we cannot do the definitive testing these naysayers will always be able to claim they could be correct. But an important point is that I never considered Andrews products as some sort of guarantee that the HPFP would never fail but that the damage would be limited to only the pump (if using both the Contains Flow and Pure Flow products).

Also, I suppose one proof that sub 5 micron particles are less of a concern to the VW engineers is the fact that the main OEM fuel filter has a micron rating that is above 5 micron from what I recall. Seems like they didn't have worries about the need to filter down to less than 5 microns. I wonder what kind of sub 5 micron particulate crap is in our diesel fuel to begin with?
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Old February 8th, 2013, 09:45   #17
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It would increase the cost but Nicktane's Uber filter looks about as good as anything available. Don't think it would fit the mount as currently configured. And, it wouldn't do anything to increase the effectiveness of the stock supply filter. If the folks who complained want perfect, it isn't available. People like them would rather live with the status quo. they must be under 60k miles.
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Old February 8th, 2013, 10:12   #18
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I love the drain flow intercooler kit. Nice work. I'll definitely consider one for our car, though the problem is that my wife would never remember to use it.

On the return fuel filter I would be curious what the potential cost savings is for having this device in the event of an HPFP failure. I still don't have a handle on what the 'real' not dealership repair cost is for that failure, but I'd be curious if this would reduce the repair by $500 or several thousand.

EDIT: Sorry to post this in the vendor thread. I just realized that there was a whole other thread for discussion on this part.
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Old February 8th, 2013, 12:37   #19
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On the return fuel filter I would be curious what the potential cost savings is for having this device in the event of an HPFP failure. I still don't have a handle on what the 'real' not dealership repair cost is for that failure, but I'd be curious if this would reduce the repair by $500 or several thousand.
If the filter works as planned (which is what the current controversy is about) it would drastically reduce the cost. Currently it is in the 7-10 thousand dollar range - replacing the entire fuel system from tank to injectors. With the return filter alone, you would only have to replace the HPFP, fuel rail and injectors. With the filter and 2microns HPFP mod, you would only have to replace the HPFP and one fuel filter (under $1000 in parts). This, of course, assumes that the filter actually catches all of the HPFP debris particles. Since there has not yet been an HPFP failure with these parts installed - this is all conjecture, not fact.

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Old February 8th, 2013, 13:20   #20
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Isn't 90% of that repair cost in the HPFP and injectors?
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Old February 8th, 2013, 14:03   #21
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Parts maybe. Labor is probably half to start with.
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Old February 8th, 2013, 21:22   #22
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Most of the time is swapping the pump and injectors too.. Cleaning the tank takes a ton more time than replacing it too..
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Old February 9th, 2013, 14:49   #23
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Also, I suppose one proof that sub 5 micron particles are less of a concern to the VW engineers is the fact that the main OEM fuel filter has a micron rating that is above 5 micron from what I recall. Seems like they didn't have worries about the need to filter down to less than 5 microns. I wonder what kind of sub 5 micron particulate crap is in our diesel fuel to begin with?
I agree with your logic but it seems that the system needs a better filter than comes standard. I.e., the engineers were wrong. Otherwise we would not need to replace parts upstream from the filter. I have a vague memory from years ago that Bosch specified the filtration needed for the HPFP but I can't find it now. If the filter meets those specs then it is the Bosch engineers that were wrong. Does anyone have those specs?
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Old February 10th, 2013, 05:35   #24
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I wouldn't take my contain flow off if you told me it sold crack in the elementary school. Id love to get the pure flow as well.
As far as I'm concerned a 5 micron filter is so much superior than passing pump guts straight back to the clean side of the stock filter where it is free to go unimpeded right back through the fuel rail again, its not even funny.
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Old February 10th, 2013, 10:18   #25
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Can we still buy them if we want? I will rather have some protection over no protection. Keep up the great work.
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Old February 10th, 2013, 11:23   #26
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Can we still buy them if we want? I will rather have some protection over no protection. Keep up the great work.
I do not know if 2micron is closely following these threads. It appears that there are many members here who are aware of the possible limitations of this kit and want it anyway. I would suggest sending PMs to 2micron. I do know that he has about 30 of these kits built, but he has officially suspended sales due to concerns about it's usefulness. If enough people tell him that they are aware of the issues and still want to buy it, he might be willing to sell some more. I cannot speak for him, but it can't hurt to ask.

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Old February 13th, 2013, 20:34   #27
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I can rig up my own return filter set up but I can't machine my own Pure Flow adapter. Do we know if these will ever be available?
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Old February 13th, 2013, 20:47   #28
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a lude analogy, but a condom is 99%, not 100% but close. not using one is looking for trouble. you want one that's 100%???

5uM filter is not 100%, but 99%, go without and you could be looking for trouble. I know, I've got a tween and a teen. lots of touble, but worth it.
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I'm eagerly awaiting the availability of both products
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I'm eagerly awaiting the availability of the Pure Flow adapter!
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