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Old December 1st, 2010, 15:00   #1
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Default PLEASE! When installing a 6 speed transmission, check the oil level!!!!

This transmission was recently shipped to me and I finally had a free moment to open it up. The pics speak for themselves.

These are parts here from a properly oiled 5 speed. Notice how everything is "wet". It was even shipped empty across the country to me just like the 6 speed was.





Now, here's the 6 speed I just opened up. Notice how "dry" everything is.


Notice lack of oil pooled anywhere


Plastic parts of reverse synchronizer melted from heat


Final drive #1 bearing race


Final drive #1 bearing. The roller cage was actually welded to the race in the case and took me about 40 mins of french, prying, slide hammer, and wiggling to get it out.
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Old December 1st, 2010, 15:10   #2
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all shipped transmissions should be dry, I've fitted a number direct from VW

only found 2 for 3B passats wet & right level!!
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Old December 1st, 2010, 16:29   #3
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I bought a TR3 once, checked every fluid before driving it away...

...Except the diff fluid.

The pinion bearings on that car looked very much like your picture.
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Old December 1st, 2010, 16:56   #4
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so, that trans is garbage then? or can it be rebuilt?
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Old December 1st, 2010, 16:58   #5
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This transmission was recently shipped to me and I finally had a free moment to open it up. The pics speak for themselves.

These are parts here from a properly oiled 5 speed. Notice how everything is "wet". It was even shipped empty across the country to me just like the 6 speed was.





Now, here's the 6 speed I just opened up. Notice how "dry" everything is.


Notice lack of oil pooled anywhere


Plastic parts of reverse synchronizer melted from heat


Final drive #1 bearing race


Final drive #1 bearing. The roller cage was actually welded to the race in the case and took me about 40 mins of french, prying, slide hammer, and wiggling to get it out.
not sure I understand this thread...are you repairing a tranny that someone ran dry or did you run the tranny dry yourself? ....it "should" be a no brainer to always check fluid when installing a new/used transmission ....however my pop rebuilds T5's T45's and 3650 mustang trannies...and yes sometimes they get installed by the customer with no fluid ...despite the fact he tells them "there is no fluid in transmission"
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Old December 1st, 2010, 17:06   #6
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I know Matt didn't run his tranny dry and I'm sure this is one of his customers. Yes, you would think that it would be common sense to double check fluid levels before starting the car and driving it

So, can you bring her back to life Matt?
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The gears look good...you know I'm down
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Old December 1st, 2010, 19:43   #9
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not sure I understand this thread...are you repairing a tranny that someone ran dry or did you run the tranny dry yourself? ....it "should" be a no brainer to always check fluid when installing a new/used transmission ....however my pop rebuilds T5's T45's and 3650 mustang trannies...and yes sometimes they get installed by the customer with no fluid ...despite the fact he tells them "there is no fluid in transmission"
I suppose I should've clarified further in the first post. This trans came from RyanP, was installed by a shop, locked up shortly after installation, then was pulled and shipped to me to see what happened.

Anytime a trans is ran, pulled, drained, and then shipped, it will always be "wet" inside. The first pic I posted of a 5 speed that was shipped to me for upgrading is a perfect example; notice the coating of oil on everything even though it was empty when it got to me. This 6 speed was BONE dry inside with the acrid odor of burnt gear oil.


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so, that trans is garbage then? or can it be rebuilt?
At bare minimum it needs all new bearings and syncros. Hopefully a brass brush will clean all the crap off the gears and they'll be ok. Whether that's cost effective or not, now that's a different story.
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Old December 1st, 2010, 20:15   #10
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wow. nothing else comes to mind but "wow"!
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Old December 1st, 2010, 20:27   #11
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I'm just thinking it's better to have some kind of fluid in them..
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Old December 1st, 2010, 20:48   #12
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wow. nothing else comes to mind but "wow"!
How about LOL? The owner of this needs to post in tothemax's "what dumb $hit stuff did you do to your car today" thread lol.
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Edited as the shop has started to make payments to put this right.
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Old December 2nd, 2010, 05:13   #14
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Matt, RyanP,

Those pictures are enough to make you cry! I'm just finishing up installing a 6 speed in my 2005 Beetle from RyanP. I'm guessing the folks who installed the transmission that burnt up didn't have the special "security bit" for the 6 speed drain/fill plugs and just assumed it had fluid. What a shame.

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I would name the shop. It's asinine to assume that a shipped transmission has fluid in it.

The pics, let alone the odour, confirm that the transmission was run without oil.

The tech messes up and needs to man up for their mistake.
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