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Old September 8th, 2017, 08:20   #8986
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Until this thread , I wasn't aware that the Toronado used a different tranny than the RWD drivetrains. Mom and Dad had a 72 Olds Custom Cruiser with that powertrain, and used it to tow a 24 feet travel trailer. it really needed a 3.73 / 4.10 rearend instead of the 3.42 it had for towing.
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Old September 8th, 2017, 08:46   #8987
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...from the Olds Tornado
TIL that Tornadoes have transmissions...
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Old September 8th, 2017, 11:34   #8988
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The '66 Olds Toronado was GMs first front wheel drive car and used the 425 trans, which in 1967 was shared with the Cadillac El Dorado. In 1979 the FWD cars were downsized and used the 325 trans.
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Old September 8th, 2017, 12:40   #8989
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I was filling up on the Garden State Parkway today, and not only did I have to deal with waiting in line for one of the 2 islands out of 30 gas pumps that have diesel, but the pump jockey warned me after I removed the pump from my car that I can get a ticket for touching the pump. I told him that it is legal to pump your own diesel and he said it's not true and a lot of state troopers come through and could write us both a ticket.
So, petty me went home and printed a copy of NJAC 12:196-1.1 and put it in my glovebox so I can show the next confused pump jockey.
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Good thought. I just did the same. I've never been hassled, but there is always a first time.
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Old September 8th, 2017, 23:53   #8990
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Wow. I would of never considered a pump attendee in this day and age.

I always thought of the rich bimbos with huge boobs which the attendee runs out and tried for some points.

But this is real! It's really unlawful in some states to squeeze out gasoline and not diesel??

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Old September 9th, 2017, 05:22   #8991
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Yes - it's really true . The states that have this law are New Jersey and Oregon.

In general the laws state that an attendent has to fuel GASOLINE powered cars - not to say there is much confusion from them about DIESEL powered cars.

In a way, it's kind of amusing to see some NJ plated car who has never fueled anywhere else before waiting for "the attendent" to fill their cars.

I first ran into this when I did my Boston to Jacksonville FL move in the Navy - Needed gas on the NJ toll road (I-95), so I found an open station, and got out of my truck and started filling before the guy even got there.
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Old September 9th, 2017, 05:59   #8992
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This is why I usually went to the same station to fill up. After the initial "THAT'S DIESEL!!!", they knew who I was and just waved to me. I fill up at home now.
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Old September 9th, 2017, 07:26   #8993
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I have a brother in Law in Oregon; it wasent until he was about 30yro that he was forced to learn how to use a fuel pump.. good thing he couldn't figure it out on his own and had to go ask for help, because he had the diesel nozzle hanging out his rental minivan.

Havent been to NJ but Ive never had an issue filling my own Diesel in Oregon, if anything I'll tell em i'm getting diesel on their march over and tha'll cause an about-face.
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Old September 11th, 2017, 05:59   #8994
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I had an experience at a station yesterday.

The station I stopped at is one that I will stop at when traveling on that particular highway. It has a row of gas pumps in the front, with the single
pump on the end that is a double gas/diesel pump, so it is the pump I have to use and many times have to wait on people to move their truck/car
(since they have run into the store, and left their car there). So, this trip, I have to wait a few minutes, when the pump is clear, I have to make a circle
to line up to the pump and my fuel cap. So, I start filling up, lock the handle, and check my oil level.

Then a old 1970/80's vintage pickup truck pulls in cockeyed to the rear of my car, to get his gas cap close to the gas hose.

The fuel pump is a double hose, with one card reader, so only one hose works at a time.
He gets out, pulls out his wallet and walks over to the pump.
I am at the front of my car checking the oil, and I look at him and say in a loud voice "I am still filling the car, only one hose works at a time".
He does not really look at me, puts his wallet in his pocket, picks up the gas hose, and stretches it over to his truck. The truck is too far
from the pump, he puts the hose back, gets in his truck, and leaves the station!
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Old September 12th, 2017, 19:58   #8995
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I was filling up on the Garden State Parkway today, and not only did I have to deal with waiting in line for one of the 2 islands out of 30 gas pumps that have diesel, but the pump jockey warned me after I removed the pump from my car that I can get a ticket for touching the pump. I told him that it is legal to pump your own diesel and he said it's not true and a lot of state troopers come through and could write us both a ticket.
So, petty me went home and printed a copy of NJAC 12:196-1.1 and put it in my glovebox so I can show the next confused pump jockey.
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Great information, I was at my local gas station and there was a new kid there and I clearly lined up my tank next to the diesel pump. He then came up to my window and I stated,m "FILL IT UP DIESEL!". He proceeds to insert his ID card in the regular gas pump and then goes back to me and verfies, "You said fill it up right?". I then yell back at him and say, "yes fill it up but not with that I said diesel!"


So let me ask, in the event the idiot did not heed my warning and put petrol in the tank, what are the necessary steps to take.

I would assume
1. Dont start the car
2. collect the reciept and name of attendant
3. call tow service to get the car transported to nearest vw dealer to get serviced.
3. Give the gas station the bill
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Old September 12th, 2017, 20:56   #8996
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1. Dont start the car
2. collect the reciept and name of attendant
3. call tow service to get the car transported to a competent mechanic to get serviced.
3. Give the gas station the bill
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Old September 13th, 2017, 06:30   #8997
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Great information, I was at my local gas station and there was a new kid there and I clearly lined up my tank next to the diesel pump. He then came up to my window and I stated,m "FILL IT UP DIESEL!". He proceeds to insert his ID card in the regular gas pump and then goes back to me and verfies, "You said fill it up right?". I then yell back at him and say, "yes fill it up but not with that I said diesel!"


So let me ask, in the event the idiot did not heed my warning and put petrol in the tank, what are the necessary steps to take.

I would assume
1. Dont start the car
2. collect the reciept and name of attendant
3. call tow service to get the car transported to nearest vw dealer to get serviced.
3. Give the gas station the bill

0 - Don't let the jockey near your car and do it for them. Or meet them at the pump and watch them grab the correct hose.

Otherwise - yes - except make that VW dealer a competent mechanic (could include VW dealer).
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Old September 13th, 2017, 09:47   #8998
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Great information, I was at my local gas station and there was a new kid there and I clearly lined up my tank next to the diesel pump. He then came up to my window and I stated,m "FILL IT UP DIESEL!". He proceeds to insert his ID card in the regular gas pump and then goes back to me and verfies, "You said fill it up right?". I then yell back at him and say, "yes fill it up but not with that I said diesel!"
So let me ask, in the event the idiot did not heed my warning and put petrol in the tank, what are the necessary steps to take.
I would assume
1. Dont start the car
2. collect the reciept and name of attendant
3. call tow service to get the car transported to nearest vw dealer to get serviced.
3. Give the gas station the bill
That is why I always get out of the car and make sure they put the right pump in, and then I take the pump out myself when it is finished so they don't spill diesel all over the car.
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Old September 13th, 2017, 15:47   #8999
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That is why I always get out of the car and make sure they put the right pump in, and then I take the pump out myself when it is finished so they don't spill diesel all over the car.
THIS. ^^^^^^^^^^^^

Get out of the car and watch 'em like a hawk and make absolutely d@mn sure they grab the DIESEL nozzle and not a gasoline nozzle. Be ready to intervene and stop them if they grab a gasoline nozzle. Let them start the pump and then tell them you'll take over from there. If necessary, remind them that the no-self serve law applies to gasoline and not to diesel. They should be OK with it since it frees them up to serve the mob of gassers waiting.

Whenever I go on a long trip, I plan ahead and completely avoid fueling up in NJ. Fortunately the tank range in a diesel vehicle puts me well past NJ before I need to think about getting fuel.
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John's 14 Passat TDI should have a mis-fueling guard though, that makes it impossible to insert a RUG nozzle. The design is not completely sealed so that a very small bit of gasoline can get into the tank, but it will become obvious rather quickly to the pump jockey that something is wrong when the gasoline splashes back or the pump clicks off immediately... still, I agree, watch them like a hawk, with the delicate HPFPs on these things why risk even a few drops getting into the tank?

For the rest with pre CR-TDIs or CR TDIs without the mis-fuel guard or who have removed it (or never had it installed as per the recall), if I were them, I would supervise the pump jockey extremely closely. Mind you, it was a pimply pump jockey that taught me the "venting" trick on my first TDI ('99 Mk IV ALH), to allow me to stuff a good 8 extra litres in the tank and increase range by nearly 200 kms!
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