I remember someone mentioning $1500, but I'm not sure if that was just the part or included the install. There should be an expert along any minute to give us an exact figure....
NHTSA Update on CR HPFP failure investigation
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It won't happen. If when I get that many miles I'll see how many cars are affected and make a decision. Let her continue on or replace it when the timing belt gets replaced. I'll have a look at the wear at that time either way.
I'd guess pretty good if they are failing in any numbers and not so much if it remains pretty rare.
dweisel
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But it only takes your hpfp to fail..........................and that changes everything. All the other pumps that have not failed are irrelavant when your pump fails.
The main problem with the Bosch hpfp used on the CR VW's is the aluminum housing. Had different materials been chosen, I doubt we would be having this conversation.
Take a look at the CP3 Bosch hpfp. Thats not aluminum that the pump pistons are running in. I also believe that the Bosch pump used in the CR VW's could be improved by using a nicasil coating on the piston bore. BUT who is going to take that $10,000 gamble to see if it works? NO ONE.................atleast not yet. So, here we sit and wait.
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DEZLBOY
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Agreed. Would Toyota be selling Prius if it was hit or miss if the battery pack would last 25K miles and they cost $8K to replace?
Sure. About like if a semi hits me. I imagine the odds of the latter are more likely.
Yep.The main problem with the Bosch hpfp used on the CR VW's is the aluminum housing. Had different materials been chosen, I doubt we would be having this conversation.
Take a look at the CP3 Bosch hpfp. Thats not aluminum that the pump pistons are running in. I also believe that the Bosch pump used in the CR VW's could be improved by using a nicasil coating on the piston bore. BUT who is going to take that $10,000 gamble to see if it works? NO ONE.................atleast not yet. So, here we sit and wait.
http://content.usatoday.com/communi...-volkswagen-diesel-nhtsa-jetta-audi-a3-golf/1
Might have been posted but im not going through 203 pages to find out. Word is slowly getting out but im still excited to pick up my new golf tdi in two weeks or so.
Might have been posted but im not going through 203 pages to find out. Word is slowly getting out but im still excited to pick up my new golf tdi in two weeks or so.
The article is over a year old but I have a question but I have a question. Is it noting that the investigation is on 2009 and 2010 cars because of the date of the article?
I assumed it was on all CR TDI's. (now)
Plus 3 Golfer
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The usatoday article in the announcement of the upgrading / expansion of the Preliminary Evaluation of the HPFP issue by the opening of an Engineering Analysis (investigation number EA11003) on February 7, 2011.
Yes, it now includes all CR TDIs. NHTSA's Information Request (IR) of October 7th, 2011 to VW indicates that MY 2009 - 2012 VWs and Audis TDIs are part of the investigation.
Yes, it now includes all CR TDIs. NHTSA's Information Request (IR) of October 7th, 2011 to VW indicates that MY 2009 - 2012 VWs and Audis TDIs are part of the investigation.
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Didn't the NHTSA step in and force Toyota and Honda to offer a 100K warranty on the batteries and electric drive train? That way early adopters would not be left holding a lump of coal if the batteries did not hold up.
Thanks.
RNDDUDE
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FINALLY! That is great news to see the CR's pulled into this. Forumites can take a lot of credit for this by their reporting of HPFP failures.
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I doubt VW was intentionally "hiding" anything in the premininary evaluation (PE). They are likely simply reporting what was requested by NHTSA. The initial data request was a PE and the data requested was very specific to vehicles "stalling" likely because that's what consumers documented in their report of their incident to NHTSA.
For example, in the PE the defintion of "alleged defect" was "stalling and/or loss of motive power". So if the car simply wouldn't start and was fixed under warranty by replacing the fuel system, the failure would likely not be shown.
Contrast the above definition of "alleged defect" to NHTSA's latest definition as shown below. I believe we will see more HPFP failures being reported now than was shown in the PE. I think it's safe to say the original numbers of HPFP failures are low. Notice the word "stalling" is not now mentioned. There have been cases where vehicles simply acted up briefly while driving (no stalling), simply didn't start (no other warning) and so forth that resulted in HPFP replacement (but with no stalling).
Seems to me that would include people reporting IC icing also and not just HPFP issues.I doubt VW was intentionally "hiding" anything in the premininary evaluation (PE). They are likely simply reporting what was requested by NHTSA. The initial data request was a PE and the data requested was very specific to vehicles "stalling" likely because that's what consumers documented in their report of their incident to NHTSA.
For example, in the PE the defintion of "alleged defect" was "stalling and/or loss of motive power". So if the car simply wouldn't start and was fixed under warranty by replacing the fuel system, the failure would likely not be shown.
Contrast the above definition of "alleged defect" to NHTSA's latest definition as shown below. I believe we will see more HPFP failures being reported now than was shown in the PE. I think it's safe to say the original numbers of HPFP failures are low. Notice the word "stalling" is not now mentioned. There have been cases where vehicles simply acted up briefly while driving (no stalling), simply didn't start (no other warning) and so forth that resulted in HPFP replacement (but with no stalling).
timwagon
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Why would you think that?
All five conditions listed are fuel system specific.
The Intercooler is not part of the fuel system.
#5.
"I don't know. I start off in the morning and it's hesitating like it isn't getting any gas and then stalled.".
VW Dealer report: Customer says it seems like the car is not getting gas and hesitating. No problem found.
Plus 3 Golfer
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I believe the intent is malfunctions "of the fuel system" and VW would likely have asked for clarification. But, hey what the heck a few reportings of the IC issue won't hurt.
But you also need to read every specific question involving the "alleged defect" to see what is specifically asked. VW needs to supply some data if the data "may relate" to the alleged defect. In which case, hard starting, hesitation on starting, stalling on starting data should be reported when applicable to the question. So, if I were responding (and I responded to many state, Federal, and civil suit data requests), I would provide data if the data was remotely related.
That's what I figured.I believe the intent is malfunctions "of the fuel system" and VW would likely have asked for clarification. But, hey what the heck a few reportings of the IC issue won't hurt.
Plus 3 Golfer
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What are you looking at, the VW spreadsheets submitted to NHTSA? Anything after about Feb. / March 2011 is likely not on the spreadsheet. I haven't seen any requirement by NHTSA for VW to continually update (like monthly) the spreadsheets.
Hopefully, the "English" language data from NHTSA's last IR will be posted soon on NHTSA's web site. Then, hopefully we will see updated numbers.
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I have been reading these threads as fast as I can to get up to speed on this site. This one hits a little to close to home. I have a 2012 Golf TDI DSG base model. Built Nov 2011 and purchased mid Jan 2012. I currently have 6912 miles on it. I picked it up with 284 miles on it in a suburb of Youngstown Ohio and was a dealer trade driven in from Dayton Ohio. The MFI shows consumption2 47.8 and route2 3188 miles. I am very pleased. Majority of the time BP fuel. My commute is 112 miles round trip 6 to 7 days per week all on country roads no freeway. The past few weeks (a total of 4 times) my car sputtered while driving under slight acceleration before the engine was warmed up. The distance from the starting point was a 1/4 mile (3 times) and 7 miles (once). I hope this isn't a sign of things to come. I will be calling the dealer tomorrow. If this is the beginning of what I hope it isn't I will keep you guys informed for tracking.
tdipoet
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your spluttering sounds more likely a problem with the IC. mine did that until i got the IC fix.
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Thanks for the input. I will keep that in mind.
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Thanks for the thread. I've started reading, this will take awhile. I'm hoping for a happy ending.
DieselOx
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I've been reading this whole thread from day one, part of the reason I bought a new Subaru.
Just for perspective, my new Subaru owner's manual has 2 pages of cautions about fuel quality, and specifically states that any fuel with octane boosting additives is forbidden and voids the warranty. It's not just VW USA struggling with fuel quality, seems like everyone's susceptible. Choose your poison.
Just for perspective, my new Subaru owner's manual has 2 pages of cautions about fuel quality, and specifically states that any fuel with octane boosting additives is forbidden and voids the warranty. It's not just VW USA struggling with fuel quality, seems like everyone's susceptible. Choose your poison.
I asked this before and it does not excuse VW for the poor design. Even with top quality fuel, it's a poor design.
But why are we acceptable of the poor quality of gas? For what we pay for it, it should always be consistant and of high quality.
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Because we have, for years (about 100), had cars and trucks that would run on just about anything that would combust. Diesel was originally working with peanut oil. George Washington Carver, amoung many other great things, was trying to develop a strain of peanut that produced greater yeild of oil for use in cars.