Will now VW get back to the business of selling new TDIs?

TDI2000Zim

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VW hat meinen '14 Passat TDiSE getötet.
Will VW now get back to the business of selling new TDIs?

After the dust settles from the buyback/fixapaloosa, my biggest question is whether VW begin selling new TDI cars again here in the USA.

Has that been cleared up???

I'm eager to put my settlement money back into a brand new TDI.
 

brian_e

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Meeee too. Love all my diesels--want another. Read the thread Disexit for more speculation. They're leading toward hybrids and pure electric in that discussion.
 

IndigoBlueWagon

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Looks like we may see 2017 diesels. Dealer order sheets show models and pricing as "TBD", meaning, according to the owner of our local dealer, that they are most likely coming. Makes sense that they couldn't announce availability before today.

Also, if you read about the fixes required for the EA288 engines in the '15 cars they're pretty minor. This also is promising when it comes to '17s getting certified.
 

JSWTDI09

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I think that it really depends of whether or not VW can come up with an acceptable "fix" for our emissions problems. If a fix is approved, there could be 2017 TDIs. If no fix is approved, TDIs will be relegated to history in North America. We will not know if any fix is approved until at least July 29th or perhaps later.

Have Fun!

Don

P.S. I am not giving up hope yet, but I am also not confident in any fix.
 

IndigoBlueWagon

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Fixes are spelled out in today's settlement, and they're minor for the DEF cars. Of course they need final approval and the '17s will need a certificate of compliance, but these engines were designed for the current regs so it should be that difficult.
 

vintovka

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NO MORE VW!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have added VW to the trashbin of dead namebrands. It joins lehman bros, Maytag, Samsung Refrigerators and soon to join them Craftsman.
 

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I just "ordered" my 2002 TDI to drive and stay healthy until 2027. Collector Plates in that year.
 

El Dobro

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There haven't been any TDI signs at the races the Audi diesels have been in, lately.
 

vintovka

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NO MORE VW!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am going to order my Diesel Powered Chevy Colorado Pickup within the next couple months.....
After all the DEF issues i'm keeping my 2004.5 Ram 2500 diesel till i croak. Just saw one go for original MSRP on Ebay recently.
 

gulfcoastguy

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Since my wagon doesn't have SCR I'm going to assume that no fix is possible. That said I want to take the settlement and invest it in a 2017 diesel but maybe a Golf instead of a Golf sportwagen this time. The question is timing.
 

TDINJ

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Where in the settlement are they spelled out aside from saying that any fix needs EPA/CARB approval?

Fixes are spelled out in today's settlement, and they're minor for the DEF cars. Of course they need final approval and the '17s will need a certificate of compliance, but these engines were designed for the current regs so it should be that difficult.
 

IndigoBlueWagon

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This was in the new threadzilla yesterday:

More info on the possible modifications, from the EPA docs.

For Gen 1:
Quote:
3.2.1 Require the installation of a new exhaust flap, EGR filter, and NOx Trap
that meets the specifications of BASF TEX2064, as proposed by Settling Defendants to
EPA and CARB on January 28, 2016, or, subject to EPA/CARB approval, such other
functionally and effectively equivalent hardware or software, provided that Settling
Defendants propose such other hardware or software in the applicable Proposed
Emissions Modification.

For Gen 2:
Quote:
3.3.1 Require that the SCR system is capable of detecting the presence of
mostly to entirely water (less than 1% DEF) in the DEF tank and initiating Inducements
based on such detection. Settling Defendants must describe all Inducement strategies and
such Inducement strategies must be consistent with the SCR Guidelines and the original
certification applications submitted by Settling Defendants.


For Gen 3:
Quote:
3.4.1 Require the future installation of OBD hardware and software to achieve
compliant SCR monitoring, including the addition of a Second NOx Sensor in a
Subsequent Service Action according to the mileage intervals and schedule described in
subparagraph 3.4.3 (i.e., full volume SCR system monitoring with a downstream NOx
sensor).
3.4.2 Describe the NOx sensor or DEF system capable of detecting poor
reductant quality, including emission and dilution detection levels, and how the vehicles
will detect poor quality DEF and initiate Inducements, and require the installation of such
strategies.
3.4.3 Require the installation of the Second NOx Sensor and a new DOC or
DOCs (if necessary to ensure compliant emissions performance for 150,000 miles)
according to the following mileage intervals and schedule:
i. If, in the Proposed Emissions Modification, Settling Defendants
demonstrate durability of the current DOC for 90,000 miles, then Settling
Defendants must install the Second NOx Sensor and the new DOC at
90,000 miles or by January 1, 2020, whichever comes first, in a single
Subsequent Service Action.
ii. If, in the Proposed Emissions Modification, Settling Defendants
demonstrate durability of the current DOC for 120,000 miles, then Settling
Defendants must install the Second NOx Sensor and the new DOC at
120,000 miles or by January 1, 2020 whichever comes first, in a single
Subsequent Service Action.
iii. If, in the Proposed Emissions Modification, Settling Defendants
demonstrate durability of the current DOC for 150,000 miles, then Settling
Defendants are not required to replace the DOC and must install the
Second NOx Sensor in a single Subsequent Service Action beginning in
the 4th quarter of 2017, to be completed by January 1, 2020.
 
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