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This may have something to do with the previous driver of the rental car...
do you know what the fastest car on the road today is? thats right... a rental car.
have you ever floored a rental car? and then put it in gear? yup.
NHTSA Update on CR HPFP failure investigation
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do you know what the fastest car on the road today is? thats right... a rental car.
have you ever floored a rental car? and then put it in gear? yup.
Smokin_Joe
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HaHa
Haven't you heard?
What are the best vehicles ever built?, their accolades are endless.
They go further without oil, antifreeze, and fuel.
They carry more weight, they go off road with ease and when they break they give you another.
Company vehicles and rental vehicles
lol
Best cars in the world
PlaneCrazy
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I killed a rental car once. Drove the crap out of some brand-new POS GM compact back in the mid-80s, in northern Quebec. Started to make a gawd-awful noise. The pulley had flown off the crank and the crank bent.
The joke was on me because all they had left was an automatic, 1.4L Hyundai Pony. As I had a flight to catch and a 100 km drive to catch it, I drove it very gingerly. But oh man what a piece of crap it was, the GM (a Buick of some sort I think) was a luxury car in comparison.
Texas_sky
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Any updates on the NHTSA forcing VW into a recall? From what I've read on here.. It seems that vw is doing the right thing and fixing the hpfp problems regardless or mileage or warranty.
I would like to go down to my local dealership and get the low down to see if they'd be willing to comply if I ran into this problem in a 09 jetta. If I know I'm covered I'd feel ok owning a mkv CR vw. It seems that vw engineered a pump that is sensitive to fuel not up to proper spec required by the bosch design. I'm sure it runs well on good US spec fuel but when a bad batch comes through it seems to wipe these CR's out. If fuel quality could improve and increase consistency we'd probably see less incidents. I know for sure I'd run additives/b5 and diesel with high pump turn over.
I would like to go down to my local dealership and get the low down to see if they'd be willing to comply if I ran into this problem in a 09 jetta. If I know I'm covered I'd feel ok owning a mkv CR vw. It seems that vw engineered a pump that is sensitive to fuel not up to proper spec required by the bosch design. I'm sure it runs well on good US spec fuel but when a bad batch comes through it seems to wipe these CR's out. If fuel quality could improve and increase consistency we'd probably see less incidents. I know for sure I'd run additives/b5 and diesel with high pump turn over.
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dweisel
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Hello,
I wonder if this means the end of "goodwill" coverage outside of warranty.
I wonder if this means the end of "goodwill" coverage outside of warranty.
Smokin_Joe
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Thanks Dweisel
Doesn't mention anything about fuel rods rusting in the lift pump.
Not good....
I think you had to take them to court before the investigation....
I wonder if the threat of taking them to court will work anymore.
So not good...
On the bright side looks like stock in 2Micron Inc is goin up...lol
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ryderse
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Wow...so VW is still blaming the fuel. In my case, there's no way gasoline was was mistakenly used. I have the mod on the tank spout installed by VW that prevents you from using a gasoline pump. This was installed well before my issue occurred.
If it happens again, I will take them to court along with the fuel station(s) I use.
Blaming mis-fueling is not going to fix this issue.
If it happens again, I will take them to court along with the fuel station(s) I use.
Blaming mis-fueling is not going to fix this issue.
Lencher
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I know the failure rate is very low but I think for many of us it is hard to justify an 8k+ risk in a 20k car. VW will undoubtedly stop fixing this issue on their dime, bad news for CR owners.
dan30thz28
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20k? Loaded they're into the 30's w/out Navi. Sorry I added tax but you still have to pay it. Point is if it happens to your car it is almost 1/3 of the vehicles value! Hope it never happens to the wife's car!
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Lencher
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Mine is a premium with nav and was almost 27k so yeah anywhere from 20-low 30's is accurate. Still that's a massive % of the value in 1 repair.
Update
Volkswagen announced today that it would replace all HP Fuel Pumps on all TDI vehicles manufactured since 2009 with an improved design. A VW spokesperson said that Customer Satisfaction was well worth the estimated cost to VW of $2,000,000,000.
Volkswagen announced today that it would replace all HP Fuel Pumps on all TDI vehicles manufactured since 2009 with an improved design. A VW spokesperson said that Customer Satisfaction was well worth the estimated cost to VW of $2,000,000,000.
JSWTDI09
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Do you have a link? I would really like to actually believe this is true. Is there going to be a recall to replace all HPFPs?
Have Fun!
Don
waltzconmigo
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Don---you may want to have another cup of coffee and check your calendar, i read that post with mounds of salt.
On the other hand VW may be trying to seriously fix the problem to get a good foothold on the US market.
JSWTDI09
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You guys aren't very nice!
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Guess NHTSA never drove one or had a failure, morons.
Texas_sky
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East Coast humor...
In the meantime I'll be waiting.roostre
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Below is a link to the March 27, 2015 NHTSA Engineering Analysis Closing Report for investigation EA 11-003 concerning failure of the TDI HPFP
http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/acms/cs/jaxrs/download/doc/UCM475595/INCR-EA11003-61863.pdf
http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/acms/cs/jaxrs/download/doc/UCM475595/INCR-EA11003-61863.pdf
Texas_sky
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... from what I hear the pump is not designed for US spec fuel it has nothing to do with gasoline fueling prevention (cover up)... They need to do something about this. Some more 2013's and 2014's are going to bite the dust and someone is going to loose it and there will be a lawsuit. This needs to be addressed. 5 yrs of cars with bad fuel pumps?! They can't let this go on any longer. I'm going to print flyers up and start passing them out to everyone with 09-14 models. The mainstream public needs to be aware of the problem. Bad things happen to good people. Wake up the consumers! Who is getting paid to keep this quiet? VW made $28.6 billion profit on $254 billion in revenues in 2012, and its assets were worth $408 billion.
I wonder what the dealer cost is to fix this, the wholesale dealer cost for the parts and what they pay the tech for labor. They don't need to look at profits when fixing these issues, they simply need to look at it from a break even standpoint and keep these cars on the road for 400+k.
I know there have been several discussions but it seems very few tdi's have failed using opti-lube and b5 bio diesel.
I wonder what the dealer cost is to fix this, the wholesale dealer cost for the parts and what they pay the tech for labor. They don't need to look at profits when fixing these issues, they simply need to look at it from a break even standpoint and keep these cars on the road for 400+k.
I know there have been several discussions but it seems very few tdi's have failed using opti-lube and b5 bio diesel.
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You can not expose yourself to this issue by not buying one.
With the current news with the investigation closed, every CR owner should be weighing their options. Its acceptable to VW and the NTSB with a 99.1% first pass yield.
Lightflyer1
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Fewer failures using OL probably because very few people using it regularly(compared to the whole population of VW diesel owners). If you look at the 2014 Infineum report any percent bio for the most part brought lubricity in line and generally in the 200's or 300's when B5 or more was used. One of the reasons I am using B5-B20 fuel today.
It is interesting to note that the failure rate was around 1% for the first 3 years in service and that "88.5% of failures had no indication of significant gasoline misfuel in the sample testing". Also "Failures resulting from fuel quality issues, including factors Volkswagen identified as likely causes of deposits observed in pumps with drivetrain failures, will not be prevented by the addition of misfuel guards".
Another factoid from the report states that of those reporting no warning of failure, the data retrieved from their cars showed that 100% of them got at least a mile to 60 miles of warning with a DTCP0087, glow plug light, chime and limp mode.
It is interesting to note that the failure rate was around 1% for the first 3 years in service and that "88.5% of failures had no indication of significant gasoline misfuel in the sample testing". Also "Failures resulting from fuel quality issues, including factors Volkswagen identified as likely causes of deposits observed in pumps with drivetrain failures, will not be prevented by the addition of misfuel guards".
Another factoid from the report states that of those reporting no warning of failure, the data retrieved from their cars showed that 100% of them got at least a mile to 60 miles of warning with a DTCP0087, glow plug light, chime and limp mode.
That very link was posted in post #6394
seems to be the talk of the town. I'm just wondering how vw will handle future failures...
Lightflyer1
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Post #6394 beat you to it. A long with another thread as well.
Smokin_Joe
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Thank You
Allot of contradictory info .
Using a tablet and cutting and pasting difficult for me.
Test vehicles used at various levels of miss fueling showed no hpfp failure???
Pretty sure I read that.....
lots of good stuff in there kiddies...lol
Hi percentage of failures vw blamed on miss fueling showed no evidence.
NHTSA says they will keep monitoring complaints.
Do all reports end like this?
They even had a high number of failures in the "we don't have a clue what caused it" category.
Give it a read, took me three times and I will again....lol
Thanks for the link
I suggest everyone give it a read. In professional hands this will give very damming evidence concerning the lack of data that Volkswagen had to substantiate it's claims of miss fueling. Read it carefully.
Allot of contradictory info .
Using a tablet and cutting and pasting difficult for me.
Test vehicles used at various levels of miss fueling showed no hpfp failure???
Pretty sure I read that.....
lots of good stuff in there kiddies...lol
Hi percentage of failures vw blamed on miss fueling showed no evidence.
NHTSA says they will keep monitoring complaints.
Do all reports end like this?
They even had a high number of failures in the "we don't have a clue what caused it" category.
Give it a read, took me three times and I will again....lol
Thanks for the link