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Groan.
VNT 17/26. Anyone had experience?
- Thread starter newguy2tdi
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FlyTDI Guy
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Priceless...
jimbote
Certified Volkswagen Nut
don't you mean bv39?
newguy2tdi
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JDSwan87
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Not knocking Kerma but there seems to be LOT of "outs" for denying warranty claims.
From Kerma.com
From Kerma.com
(Full disclosure)--- I personally try to buy from all the vendors on this site and not pigeon hole myself with using only one vendor. Just saying, so I'm not labeled a Kerma-Basher. I actually bought my nozzles from Kerma and had them balanced also by him( Kerma/DBW). Transaction was smooth and painless.
3turboz
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Someone correct me on this if I am wrong (not that I have to ask, LOL) Just FYI, I think on that side of the pond the HP numbers are estimated crank HP, where we North Americans measure HP at the wheels. So when Darkside's chart shows a VNT17 is good for 200 HP and it is commonly advertised up to 170 here, that is why.
Also, according to that chart a 17 will spool faster than a 17/22, which seems to defy the whole point of the hybrid. GTB1756Vk not spooled until 2,600 RPM? That would seem unnaceptably laggy to me, but that turbo is supposed to be all the rage.
LNXGUY
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See, I can't even keep all these crazy turbos straight in my head!
dropanotherthou
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Not sheeple sorry. I'm sick of your 2 cents that doesn't benefit anyone except your ego. S7 is borgwarners answer to the vnt17 nothing more. We all know you have a 17/22... you must feel so proud of yourself. Anything above s7/vnt17 means exponentially more money.
LNXGUY
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I don't need to stroke my own ego. I'm simply here to lay the facts out, if you don't like it, go cry in the corner. BTW, I don't have a 17/22, not to sure where you dreamed that up. We see people defending the vendor they've purchased parts from all the time, enjoy your time with the herd.
newguy2tdi
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How good of an idea do the 150 hp complete kits from Kerma sound? Anyone used one? Since im trying to get alot of work done in a little amount of time would this kit (with southbend endurance clutch, hot swap for injectors and upgrade to the s7) be a decent idea?\\http://www.kermatdi.com/servlet/Detail?no=8487
JDSwan87
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Have you read this thread? http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=427084 Some very good information on it. Also, I believe username Big Swole did a quick build on his Golf... Here is his build :http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=417939
I was running compounds, for a total investment of $100.
Be $130 once I get the engine back together, the 140k mile VNT-15's bearings were a bit worn for my tastes.
clamb
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To the OP ... My recommendation is to go with DLC 1019 nozzles, 11mm fuel pump, stage 2 colt cam and a vnt17. Heck you could even go with just the nozzles and 11mm pump. With the right tune you'd be laughing. Don't go bigger turbo until the hardware is in place to fuel it. Also go 3" turbo back I do t have any dyno results but my car is pretty swift and has the following:
Stage 4.5 Malone tune
Vnt 17
11mm pump
Forge sidemount intercooler fed by 1.8T pancake
DLC 1019 nozzles
Stage 2 colt cam
PD150 manifold
3" Buzzken turbo back
Sachs VR6 clutch (which it slips and needs upgrading)
I do t have any dyno results but my car is pretty swift and has the following:Stage 4.5 Malone tune
Vnt 17
11mm pump
Forge sidemount intercooler fed by 1.8T pancake
DLC 1019 nozzles
Stage 2 colt cam
PD150 manifold
3" Buzzken turbo back
Sachs VR6 clutch (which it slips and needs upgrading)
LNXGUY
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I probably wouldn't drop the $$$ on a cam until I was exceeding the flow characteristics of the stock ALH head. Along with the cam, you should be doing some headwork to take advantage of it. But that's just a personal opinion.
3turboz
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Well now you are moving your goal quite a bit!
The only knock I have (and I am wearing a Kerma shirt as I type this) is that there does not seem to be much of a package discount. The parts can be sourced for less if you have the time to shop.
Only you can decide the value of your time. I am retired, so I can spend months figuring which turbo I want, and hours shopping to save $120 on that turbo. You are obviously under different time/money constraints.
If you want to go back to your original goal, here is another build thread: http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=349101 If you want that much power you should plan on a limited slip diff also.
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aNUT
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OP - swing by if they'd like for a ride in my Golf. 17/26 equipped. I also have a 150hp kit car here for comparison.
The exhaust ports are freakin' tiny.
clamb
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Ken is suggesting head work and a stage 3 cam. My only worry is whether I'll keep the car long enough to make it worth while.
3turboz
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I'd jump on that if I were you. A test drive will tell you far more that a dyno graph, then you can report back and answer your own question.
ANUT, what else do you have in your 17/26 build? Edit, never mind, details here http://www.dieselland.net/my-silly-car.html
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newguy2tdi
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I plan on it! Possibly this weekend or sometime soonI'd jump on that if I were you. A test drive will tell you far more that a dyno graph, then you can report back and answer your own question.
ANUT, what else do you have in your 17/26 build? Edit, never mind, details here http://www.dieselland.net/my-silly-car.html
CourierGuy
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You really need to swing by. Play hookie. Pass on family dindin. Ditch the boys. Do whatever.
You'll be in the very few to report back on this 'new' turbo.
Specially having a 150hp kit'd comparison car to go along with.
1000s will read and watch your feedback. Take a video.
You'll be in the very few to report back on this 'new' turbo.
Specially having a 150hp kit'd comparison car to go along with.
1000s will read and watch your feedback. Take a video.
JDSwan87
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True dat
tyson
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Dyno up for 17/26
https://www.facebook.com/293573842267/photos/a.10150271455767268.348533.293573842267/10152973431922268/?type=1&theater
https://www.facebook.com/293573842267/photos/a.10150271455767268.348533.293573842267/10152973431922268/?type=1&theater
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BuzzKen
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First off, my apologies to the OP for my comments earlier.
If this turbo is set up how I think it may possibly be, it should work outstanding. We started running our modified 17/22's about 8 months ago and the results compared to a 17/22 are not even in the ballpark. IF this turbo is comparable to what we are using, it's an outstanding bolt-on turbo. Compared to a 17/22, far lower egt's, no lag, annoying surge is gone, excellent in every way. We are running 28-29psi to 5000rpm without the turbo breaking a sweat. However without the exhaust side being modded, just throwing a compressor wheel on isn't good.
If this turbo is set up how I think it may possibly be, it should work outstanding. We started running our modified 17/22's about 8 months ago and the results compared to a 17/22 are not even in the ballpark. IF this turbo is comparable to what we are using, it's an outstanding bolt-on turbo. Compared to a 17/22, far lower egt's, no lag, annoying surge is gone, excellent in every way. We are running 28-29psi to 5000rpm without the turbo breaking a sweat. However without the exhaust side being modded, just throwing a compressor wheel on isn't good.
CourierGuy
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That link 2 posts up... That's a pretty nice power curve.
LNXGUY
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Great info Ken, maybe when my 1756 blows up I won't have to go far for an upgrade
BuzzKen
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Great info Ken, maybe when my 1756 blows up I won't have to go far for an upgrade
Once we find a clutch that will hold, we should meet up and u try it. I had a gtb1756 on ryan's gorgeous manifold, but this thing outdoes it. I have a dyno graph, but it was at 26psi and fuel cut at 4500rpm. Will dyno as soon as clutch is dealt with.
Fix_Until_Broke
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How about posting the dyno data so everyone can see it please?
All I get is a blank screen when I click on the link
JDSwan87
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Here ya go...
206hp 352lb-ft uncorrected, ALH engine
206hp 352lb-ft uncorrected, ALH engine