Is a TDI practical in rural South Dakota

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Location
South Dakota
TDI
none
Hi,
I'm a semi-retired rancher considering my first (used) TDI.
Attractions: Diesel (have road-legal diesel supply on ranch, now drive 3/4 ton diesel pickups); mileage (it's 40 miles to bread and beer); easy to tow manual diesel when I go south for the winter.
Reservations: Nearest VW dealer is 150 miles away; dislike/distrust complicated, electronic controlled engines; ground clearance (cattle guards and country roads).

My specific questions (also open to general advice)

1. What is a reasonable service life of a TDI in miles? (Drive vehicles to end of service life and donate)
2. What engine/drive train components usually give out at the end of service life?
3. If one injector fails, can you change only one or must you change all four?
4. Is a TDI rebuild practical/economical?
5. What spare parts besides a full set of belts and tensioners should I consider stocking?
6. Is the A3 engine significantly less complex than the A4 and later engines? If so, what do you lose to get this lesser complexity?
7. How user friendly is VAG-COM? (can use the Internet, but I'm no computer whiz)

Any thoughts or suggestions will be much appreciated. Sorry in advance if I've violated any of your forum protocol. New to forums in general and yours in particular. Thanks.
 

Aquaticmind

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Joined
Apr 17, 2009
Location
Wheeling, WV via Athens Georgia via, Bainbridge Is
TDI
2003 Jetta Wagon
Hi,
I'm a semi-retired rancher considering my first (used) TDI.
Attractions: Diesel (have road-legal diesel supply on ranch, now drive 3/4 ton diesel pickups); mileage (it's 40 miles to bread and beer); easy to tow manual diesel when I go south for the winter.
Reservations: Nearest VW dealer is 150 miles away; dislike/distrust complicated, electronic controlled engines; ground clearance (cattle guards and country roads).

My specific questions (also open to general advice)

1. What is a reasonable service life of a TDI in miles? (Drive vehicles to end of service life and donate)
2. What engine/drive train components usually give out at the end of service life?
3. If one injector fails, can you change only one or must you change all four?
4. Is a TDI rebuild practical/economical?
5. What spare parts besides a full set of belts and tensioners should I consider stocking?
6. Is the A3 engine significantly less complex than the A4 and later engines? If so, what do you lose to get this lesser complexity?
7. How user friendly is VAG-COM? (can use the Internet, but I'm no computer whiz).
I think the reasonable service life of a TDI is ~250,000 - 350,000 if taken care. Some folks have more, some less. People will chime in I'm sure.

2. Turbo's and automatic transmission are what seem to give out. If taken care of the engines and manual transmission seems to last a long long time. Electrical issues have always been the downfall of VW, so if you are looking for simplicity, go manual everything.

3. If your injectors fails, it's best to replace all 4 b/c the timing is of the injection is so critical, and new vs old springs in the injectors will probably have an influence on the performance and mpg. There is also nozzle replacement vs injector body replacement.

4. TDI rebuilds aren't that expensive, more than a domestic car in most cases. However parts are plentiful to build from used. VW has been very good about compatibility of parts by in large. Some of the folks who build more can surely give more detail.

5. Depends on the conditions of the car I guess.

6. The big difference b/t the A4 and A3 is the move from a manual Fuel injection pump to an electronic injection pump. The benefit is increased Hp, torque, and increased economy. The downside, more electronics, although they are minimal compared to a gas car IMO. By in large the engines are similar, others know more. There are differences in turbos to, but there is also interchangeability.

7. VAG-Com... I don't have it, but it doesn't seem to bad to interface with.

8. Cattle-guards. I have about 2.5" of lift on my A4 right now and nice metal skidplate. It's well worth the money. I needed clearance and I wanted good mileage so I'm making the are more subaru like.. but with better styling and handling;)

9. VW dealers... not the place to go to get a tdi fixed if you can help it. Take the car to a trusted mechanic.. there is a list of TDI mechanics at the top of the 101 page.

I hope this is helpful
 
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AndyBees

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Joined
May 27, 2003
Location
Southeast Kentucky
TDI
Silver 2003 Jetta TDI, Silver 2000 Jetta TDI (sold), '84 Vanagon with '02 ALH engine
Bill, first off welcome to the club!

Read and read some more!

In summary here's my TDI story!

I purchased my 2000 Jetta TDI in March of '02 with 45,ooo miles on it! Today it has over 271,000 miles .......... nothing major has gone kaput!

The 99.5 thru 2003 have the ALH engine (correct me if I am wrong). Read the home page of the TDI club to learn a little more about the different generation TDI engines.

My engine still as all four original Injectors....... two of the original Glow Plugs.

The Timing Belt change should include all new parts that touch the belt (three rollers, tensioner, and water pump). There are several on-line vendors that sell TB kits. The kits will include all the items, including new bolts, sepentine belt, Cam seal, vacuum pump seal, etc.

You should try to locate the nearest TDI guru for your area.... you may need him! There are speciality tools that can be obtained from the on-line suppliers!

I live in rural southeast Kentucky and my TDI serves me well! I've driving across South Dakato and can sort of relate to your neck of the woods!

I'm sure others will chime in!

Hope this helps!......... observe my signature~!
 

Diesel_Aggie

Veteran Member
Joined
Nov 3, 2005
Location
College Station, Texas
TDI
1996 B4, 1996 B4V
I'll try and address each question and let you draw your own conclusions.

Do you know what type of fuel you are getting at the ranch from the supplier? If you get an 08 or newer car I'm almost certain they will require Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel (ULSD). Someone else confirm or prove me wrong.

The proximity to a VW dealer is not necessarily a huge issue. It seems a large number of VW dealers don't know how to properly service a TDI anyway. VW dealer service in general also rates pretty low in national surveys. There is a trusted TDI mechanic list on the site. Look thru it and see if there are any trusted mechanics in your area. Contact them. If you feel good about them that may solve most of your issues besides warranty work. If you rack up miles fast, you may be out of warranty in a year anyway. You can order VW parts at 20% off standard list at www.1stvwparts.com shipped to your door. There are many trusted vendors on here as well. While my 96 Passats have much lower production than the Jettas, I find almost nothing is ever in stock anyway even in Dallas at the nations largest VW dealer.

Electronic controls: How old is your diesel truck? Unless it's an old 6.2 or 6.9 diesel, it probably has just as many if not more electronics than the TDI. The 96-03 TDIs are really pretty simple electronics wise. Not really any worse than a similar era gasoline car. The 08 up cars are certainly more complicated. Someone else will have to comment on the 04-06 cars. I started with simple carbonated cars. I found once I learned a little about fuel injection that they were far superior vehicles and dramatically more reliable and less maintenance intensive. I feel the same bout electronic turbo charged diesels. Far superior and the electronics don't cause much trouble. The 2 hassles I see on a TDI is the injection pump MUST be rebuilt by a certified rebuilder. So either it comes from VW or the shop in Oregon that can do it. The other is diagnostics/maintenance. It basically requires the shop or you to have a VAGCOM. Even a simple timing belt job requires this to be done right. Very few independent shops have one.

Ground Clearance: I have many friends here in Texas with rural ranch property and have had no issues with cattle guards, county roads, etc. I often go down gravel roads and some forest service roads as well. If you are on pavement I see no issues. Graded gravel should be no problem either. We regularly go up a very rutted steep unpaved driveway. You have to be careful and choose your line to avoid bottoming out but the car makes it up and has for years.

Wear out? What does this mean? OK, the clutch pressure plate broke at 351,000 on the sedan. I guess that counts. Actually the automatics are not known for their stellar longevity.....100,000 miles is not an uncommon failure point and they are expensive. But you want a manual anyway. If you care for your vehicles and they don't rust out I see no reason a TDI shouldn't make 400,000 miles. Really can't think of a TDI engine failure that was not timing belt related. Don't go over the timing belt interval, use quality German parts and have a TDI specialist do the belt and you should have no issues.

Injectors- Someone else will have to answer.

Practical- I find it very practical due to the low fuel cost and tremendous range. The only headaches have been maintenance related due to incompetent dealers and independent shops coupled with how hard it can be to find a competent tech. Parts prices for the Passat have been more expensive than Ford and Honda but really no more than Toyota.

Economical- They hold value very well so that helps lower your biggest cost- depreciation. Fuel, absolutely. Maintenance cost.....maybe. We bought our sedan at 265,000 with thorough maintenance records. Maintenance cost per mile since new is 8.1cpm. Prior to purchase 3.8cpm. During our ownership 20cpm. Part of this is due to a slightly bent rear axle that wasn't visible on purchase. Part was due to learning the hard way that you either find a TDI specialist or fix it yourself. Part of it is upgrading to more expensive parts like Bilstein struts. If I could do it again, I could have cut out a couple thousand dollars in expenses. As comparison my 94 F-350 has run 17.7cpm on maintenance over the last 100,000 miles that I've owned it.

Just realized you were asking if the rebuild was practical/economical. See above where unless the timing belt breaks this shouldn't even be a topic of discussion!

Spare Parts- When getting close to a timing belt interval, get the parts ordered so you will have them. You might consider keeping a set of filters. I run NAPA Gold/Wix oil/fuel filters but many stores don't stock them. I run VW air filters as I didn't like the fit of the NAPA/Wix filters for my application. Oil is the big thing as many TDIs have a very unique spec for the engine oil.....and it's not readily available in most parts of the country that aren't a big city on a coastline. Since my TDIs are older and less picky I run Rotella T 5W-40 synthetic. Same thing in the trucks so easier to stock 1 oil and any Wal Mart has it.

The A3, B4, and pre PD A4 engines are all pretty simple and straight forward. What you give up is horsepower and torque. The 2008 engines have more complex emissions and electronics. This is also what knocks the fuel mileage down on them. Someone else will have to comment on the PD engines. It would be very hard to find a A3 car that doesn't need a lot of work at this point. Unless you are willing to sink a lot of money in it or want to do it yourself, I'm not sure that would be the best choice.

I don't find the VAGCOM that hard to use. There are many great posts on here about how to do things with it. Owning one would most likely be a big help for troubleshooting in your area. It sounds like you may have worked on your vehicles over the years. TDI's just take some different tools and techniques than GM/Ford/Honda/Toyota. There will be a learning curve.

Good luck with your search.
 

tigers2007

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Joined
Feb 8, 2010
Location
Michigan
TDI
'97 Passat TDI Sedan (B4)
I don't quite live in N.D. but it will come down to your confidence. I have been driving 200k mile used cars for years and have never had any issues. Just make sure you have AAA RV Plus (100 miles per tow)
 

jasonTDI

TDI GURU Vendor , w/Business number
Joined
Apr 26, 2001
Location
Oregon, WI
TDI
20' RAM 3500 CCLB dually HO/Aisan. 2019 Cherokee 2.0T
Where in SD? Rapid City? The eastern End has Losha.

I come to the Rapid City area 2-3 times a year. Dirt riding.
 

Powder Hound

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Joined
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Location
Under a Bridge, Crestview, FL, USA
TDI
'00 Golf 4dr White 5sp, '02 Jettachero 5sp, Wife's '03 NB Platinum Gray auto(!)
Apparently, many people don't realize that the A3 injection pump has just as many electronic controls as the A4 generation. There are some internal differences since the A4 pump develops more pressure so it can drive injectors that have higher pop pressures. But some people have given their A3 generation engine a boost by installing an A4 generation pump and injectors. The only electronic hookup problem is that the plugs are a little different. 2 plugs on the older one. But no ECU changes required.

Personally, I'm shooting for 500k miles on my cars. The only thing I see that will stop that from happening is a drunk/inattentive/etc driver crashing me or rust eating the chassis. I wish they could find something other than iron termite vitamins to spread on the roads in the winter.

Other items:
2. What engine/drive train components usually give out at the end of service life?
The same rules apply as in any other mechanical device that sees use in the real world. It depends on how it is treated - what kind of use. I know some drivers that can destroy any car in 100k miles or less. Others can drive anything to 400k miles, even a Yugo. IMO, it comes down to that. Will the transaxle make it that long? The clutch? How do you shift? If you're a manly-man and think a clutch is for sissies, then 50k if you're lucky. Otherwise, my OEM clutch and transaxle haven't missed a beat in 240k miles in my 4-dr.

One good thing about VW is that even though they phase a generation out here, they are making and selling them in some other country in the world. The chances are excellent that the part you want is available. It might take a bit of time, but you'll be able to get it.

3. If one injector fails, can you change only one or must you change all four?

You can change just one. A lot of people worry about balancing and matching them. This can be done if you are really a/r. One guy on this forum has claimed that nozzles only last 100k miles, and anything after that is borrowed time. Interestingly, that same guy is selling and calibrating nozzles. Go figure.

In general, you are the judge on whether you need to change a lot of things. Some things, like a set of lifters, ought to be changed all at once. Or, a new set of lifters if you buy a new cam. But there's other things that don't have to be changed all in one set. I wouldn't change the left side wheel bearing just because the right side needed it, for example.

4. Is a TDI rebuild practical/economical?
If properly cared for, this question won't come up. But it is doable. If you could find a good used engine with low miles, it might be less trouble. But if you get to that point, shop around, see what you come up with, and then decide which way to go.

5. What spare parts besides a full set of belts and tensioners should I consider stocking?
As above, filters. Also, suspension rubber bits - bushings, strut mounts. Really though, these days with mail order, you can get nearly anything you need in plenty of time.

6. Is the A3 engine significantly less complex than the A4 and later engines? If so, what do you lose to get this lesser complexity?

It is virtually the same except for some minor details. I think there's plusses and minuses with each generation. IMO, the chassis of the A4 is better due to better corrosion protection, and I'd go that route for that reason.

7. How user friendly is VAG-COM? (can use the Internet, but I'm no computer whiz)
Not bad, but like any complicated user tool, there are things to learn. This forum is a great place to ask questions though, and you can get the help you'll need.
 

jettawreck

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Joined
Aug 2, 2004
Location
Northern Minnesota-55744
TDI
2001 Jetta and 2003 Jetta
In addition to all the fine advice above-buy a metal (steel or aluminum-take your pick) skid plate. You will never regret it, especially in the rural roads. I live in the rural and I've hunted/fished ND, SD, and Montana so I know what/where people there drive. Its a must or bust.
 

jasonTDI

TDI GURU Vendor , w/Business number
Joined
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Location
Oregon, WI
TDI
20' RAM 3500 CCLB dually HO/Aisan. 2019 Cherokee 2.0T
A4 injection pumps don't fit unless you do a custom plate/mount.
 

fase2000TDI

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Chesapeake, VA, USA 401-919-0466
TDI
2003 Jettawagon TDI; 2015 GSW 6MT
If you're worried about clearance I HIGHLY suggest the Bilstein TC struts/shocks with a Metalnerd 2" lift. I've been down washed out logging roads with that set up in my car and never had an issue.
 

tditom

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Joined
Sep 5, 2001
Location
Jackson, MI
TDI
formerly: 2001 Golf GL, '97 Passat (RIP) '98 NB, '05 B5 sedan
A3 engine is much easier to do a timing belt on, but its required every 60k mi vs 100k mi on the ALH.
 

greengeeker

Vendor
Joined
Feb 8, 2006
Location
Cambridge, MN
TDI
2002 Jetta GLS
An A3 or B4 originally from SD shouldn't have as many issues with rust so I wouldn't let that limit you.

If you're more comfortable with mechanical injection have you considered an older vw diesel? http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/csw/cto/1842512111.html

Spare parts: pick up Rotella T6 oil or Mobil 1. You can buy OEM filters in bulk (say 5 at a time) from the online vendors.

An A3 turbo is a simple wastegated unit while the A4 one is a variable vane. Besides that they have only minor differences.

The cheapest option is probably going to be a New Beetle if you're set on a4's. As already mentioned, manual only, 1999-2003.

edit: found another one http://rmn.craigslist.org/cto/1809713211.html
 
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Franko6

Vendor , w/Business number
Joined
May 7, 2005
Location
Sw Missouri
TDI
Jetta, 99, Silver`
100k nozzles... heh. Well, I balance injectors all the time. I've had some injectors that come in the shop with 200k on them and they are working FINE! Each time I ask the owner what he's done to preserve them, it's the same answer... GOOD FUEL (no water). Put a good filter and water separator on your fuel source and using 2 oz of Power Service or Stanadyne fuel additive each fill up.

In case nobody mentioned it, a Frost Heater is a great addition for the cold weather up there.
 

listerone

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Location
Connecticut
TDI
2018 BMW 540d
I'm only 16,000 miles into this,my first diesel.And it's a BMW...not a TDI.My limited experience with my "d" is that it's strong as a bull in every sense.You're probably familiar with the general reputation of diesels...you have to shoot them to kill them.In fact,it sounds like you have some experience with diesels.

VW has as much experience with diesels as any car maker on earth.It's hard for me to see how you could go wrong....assuming the car you're considering is in good condition and has been well maintained.
 
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Where in SD? Rapid City? The eastern End has Losha.

I come to the Rapid City area 2-3 times a year. Dirt riding.
Thanks for the input. My place is way NW of Pierre, closer to Bismark. My girlfriend lives in Harvard, IL, so I get thru Madison on occasion and can see using your shop if I move forward with a TDI, which seems likely if I can find a good one used.
 
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I think the reasonable service life of a TDI is ~250,000 - 350,000 if taken care. Some folks have more, some less. People will chime in I'm sure.

2. Turbo's and automatic transmission are what seem to give out. If taken care of the engines and manual transmission seems to last a long long time. Electrical issues have always been the downfall of VW, so if you are looking for simplicity, go manual everything.

3. If your injectors fails, it's best to replace all 4 b/c the timing is of the injection is so critical, and new vs old springs in the injectors will probably have an influence on the performance and mpg. There is also nozzle replacement vs injector body replacement.

4. TDI rebuilds aren't that expensive, more than a domestic car in most cases. However parts are plentiful to build from used. VW has been very good about compatibility of parts by in large. Some of the folks who build more can surely give more detail.

5. Depends on the conditions of the car I guess.

6. The big difference b/t the A4 and A3 is the move from a manual Fuel injection pump to an electronic injection pump. The benefit is increased Hp, torque, and increased economy. The downside, more electronics, although they are minimal compared to a gas car IMO. By in large the engines are similar, others know more. There are differences in turbos to, but there is also interchangeability.

7. VAG-Com... I don't have it, but it doesn't seem to bad to interface with.

8. Cattle-guards. I have about 2.5" of lift on my A4 right now and nice metal skidplate. It's well worth the money. I needed clearance and I wanted good mileage so I'm making the are more subaru like.. but with better styling and handling;)

9. VW dealers... not the place to go to get a tdi fixed if you can help it. Take the car to a trusted mechanic.. there is a list of TDI mechanics at the top of the 101 page.

I hope this is helpful
Thanks a lot. I'm encouraged.
 
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Location
South Dakota
TDI
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Apparently, many people don't realize that the A3 injection pump has just as many electronic controls as the A4 generation. There are some internal differences since the A4 pump develops more pressure so it can drive injectors that have higher pop pressures. But some people have given their A3 generation engine a boost by installing an A4 generation pump and injectors. The only electronic hookup problem is that the plugs are a little different. 2 plugs on the older one. But no ECU changes required.

Personally, I'm shooting for 500k miles on my cars. The only thing I see that will stop that from happening is a drunk/inattentive/etc driver crashing me or rust eating the chassis. I wish they could find something other than iron termite vitamins to spread on the roads in the winter.

Other items:
2. What engine/drive train components usually give out at the end of service life?
The same rules apply as in any other mechanical device that sees use in the real world. It depends on how it is treated - what kind of use. I know some drivers that can destroy any car in 100k miles or less. Others can drive anything to 400k miles, even a Yugo. IMO, it comes down to that. Will the transaxle make it that long? The clutch? How do you shift? If you're a manly-man and think a clutch is for sissies, then 50k if you're lucky. Otherwise, my OEM clutch and transaxle haven't missed a beat in 240k miles in my 4-dr.

One good thing about VW is that even though they phase a generation out here, they are making and selling them in some other country in the world. The chances are excellent that the part you want is available. It might take a bit of time, but you'll be able to get it.

3. If one injector fails, can you change only one or must you change all four?

You can change just one. A lot of people worry about balancing and matching them. This can be done if you are really a/r. One guy on this forum has claimed that nozzles only last 100k miles, and anything after that is borrowed time. Interestingly, that same guy is selling and calibrating nozzles. Go figure.

In general, you are the judge on whether you need to change a lot of things. Some things, like a set of lifters, ought to be changed all at once. Or, a new set of lifters if you buy a new cam. But there's other things that don't have to be changed all in one set. I wouldn't change the left side wheel bearing just because the right side needed it, for example.

4. Is a TDI rebuild practical/economical?
If properly cared for, this question won't come up. But it is doable. If you could find a good used engine with low miles, it might be less trouble. But if you get to that point, shop around, see what you come up with, and then decide which way to go.

5. What spare parts besides a full set of belts and tensioners should I consider stocking?
As above, filters. Also, suspension rubber bits - bushings, strut mounts. Really though, these days with mail order, you can get nearly anything you need in plenty of time.

6. Is the A3 engine significantly less complex than the A4 and later engines? If so, what do you lose to get this lesser complexity?

It is virtually the same except for some minor details. I think there's plusses and minuses with each generation. IMO, the chassis of the A4 is better due to better corrosion protection, and I'd go that route for that reason.

7. How user friendly is VAG-COM? (can use the Internet, but I'm no computer whiz)
Not bad, but like any complicated user tool, there are things to learn. This forum is a great place to ask questions though, and you can get the help you'll need.
Great input. Thanks.
 
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Location
South Dakota
TDI
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Bill, first off welcome to the club!

Read and read some more!

In summary here's my TDI story!

I purchased my 2000 Jetta TDI in March of '02 with 45,ooo miles on it! Today it has over 271,000 miles .......... nothing major has gone kaput!

The 99.5 thru 2003 have the ALH engine (correct me if I am wrong). Read the home page of the TDI club to learn a little more about the different generation TDI engines.

My engine still as all four original Injectors....... two of the original Glow Plugs.

The Timing Belt change should include all new parts that touch the belt (three rollers, tensioner, and water pump). There are several on-line vendors that sell TB kits. The kits will include all the items, including new bolts, sepentine belt, Cam seal, vacuum pump seal, etc.

You should try to locate the nearest TDI guru for your area.... you may need him! There are speciality tools that can be obtained from the on-line suppliers!

I live in rural southeast Kentucky and my TDI serves me well! I've driving across South Dakato and can sort of relate to your neck of the woods!

I'm sure others will chime in!

Hope this helps!......... observe my signature~!
Thanks for the encouragement. I grew up in E Tennessee and still fish Dale Hollow a lot. SD roads and parts of KY/TN roads look a lot alike.
 

nicklockard

Torque Dorque
Joined
Aug 15, 2004
Location
Arizona
TDI
SOLD 2010 Touareg Tdi w/factory Tow PCKG
2. Turbo's and automatic transmission are what seem to give out.l
Turbo's are not known to give out. This is a mistaken understanding many folks have. Turbos will generally outlast the car unless you do unwise performance modifications. Often dealership parts-replacers blame turbos when it's only either:

stuck VNT actuators (car needs to be driven harder to burn off soot buildup)
and
faulty N75 solenoids.

Rarely do turbos actually fail except due to a.) abuse and b.) FOD
 

Aquaticmind

Veteran Member
Joined
Apr 17, 2009
Location
Wheeling, WV via Athens Georgia via, Bainbridge Is
TDI
2003 Jetta Wagon
Turbo's are not known to give out. This is a mistaken understanding many folks have. Turbos will generally outlast the car unless you do unwise performance modifications. Often dealership parts-replacers blame turbos when it's only either:
stuck VNT actuators (car needs to be driven harder to burn off soot buildup)
and
faulty N75 solenoids.
Rarely do turbos actually fail except due to a.) abuse and b.) FOD
This is true that there are many many turbo's out there with many miles, but if you buy a used a car, the is no guarantee that the turbo has been treated kindly. You are completely right that many $800 turbos have been replaced b/c of a $100 actuator by dealerships.. mostly...
 

scooperhsd

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Joined
Aug 19, 2003
Location
Kansas City KS
TDI
NB, 2000, RED(5 Speed conversion) 2015 Golf SE
This is true that there are many many turbo's out there with many miles, but if you buy a used a car, the is no guarantee that the turbo has been treated kindly. You are completely right that many $800 turbos have been replaced b/c of a $100 actuator by dealerships.. mostly...
replace "dealership" with "stealership" and you'll be closer to the truth...
 

jasonTDI

TDI GURU Vendor , w/Business number
Joined
Apr 26, 2001
Location
Oregon, WI
TDI
20' RAM 3500 CCLB dually HO/Aisan. 2019 Cherokee 2.0T
Thanks for the input. My place is way NW of Pierre, closer to Bismark. My girlfriend lives in Harvard, IL, so I get thru Madison on occasion and can see using your shop if I move forward with a TDI, which seems likely if I can find a good one used.

Nice! We used to ride 35 miles north of Wall on the Cedar Breaks ranch up on the Cheyenne river.
 

TornadoRed

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Aug 3, 2003
Location
West Des Moines (formerly St Paul)
TDI
2003 Jetta TDI wagon, silver; 2003 Jetta TDI wagon, indigo blue; 2003 Golf GL 5-spd, red (PARTED); 2003 Golf GLS 5-spd, indigo blue (SOLD); 2003 Jetta TDI wagon, Candy White (SOLD)
Hi,
I'm a semi-retired rancher considering my first (used) TDI.
Attractions: Diesel (have road-legal diesel supply on ranch, now drive 3/4 ton diesel pickups); mileage (it's 40 miles to bread and beer); easy to tow manual diesel when I go south for the winter.
Reservations: Nearest VW dealer is 150 miles away; dislike/distrust complicated, electronic controlled engines; ground clearance (cattle guards and country roads)..
Hi Bill. TDIs are the perfect vehicle for the Great Plains and Rocky Mountain states, because of their great fuel economy. But I cannot recommend them for many people who live in those regions, simply because there is no support network to keep them running.

Yes, we have members in the Sioux Falls area, and a couple guys near Rapid City. But you are really out in the boondocks. Even though you might be able to fix any problems that arise, or replace parts that fail, or even work with your best local mechanic... the biggest hassles might be in troubleshooting problems to determine the exact cause. TDI Club can help, maybe even 80-90% of the time, but not always... and then what will you do?

If you decide to go ahead, then I recommend finding the very best 2002 or 2003 TDI you can find -- one with the ALH engine and VE injection system. They are simpler, easier to troubleshoot, and I have to think that every conceivable problem has been encountered and a fix discovered. This is not necessarily true with the newer models. And if you go back to the A3 models, then you run into cars without the deluxe anti-corrosion treatment of the A4 models.

However, you say that you do spend the winters down south. Maybe you can get the routine maintenance items done then, the stuff you don't want to handle yourself.

The last question I'll ask is this: how many miles do you plan to drive this car each year? TDIs really pay for themselves if you drive 20k-30k miles or more every year, but may not be worthwhile if you're only going to put 10-15k miles on one. There are lots of other cars out there which may not get the great fuel mileage of a TDI, but get okay mileage and they are easier to get serviced when you are hundreds of miles from a big city.
 

Losha

Veteran Member
Joined
Mar 8, 2005
Location
Sioux Falls, SD
TDI
06 Jetta TDI DSG, 2001 Golf TDI, Audi S6, A8, Toureg
Hi Bill, don't know if you have seen this post yet or not http://sd.craigslist.org/cto/1792510643.html this is actually my buddy Kevin selling his 03 Jetta TDI. I know this car personally, worked on it and drove it many times. He bought it last year with broken timing belt, that severely damaged head & block. We put it another used engine that had around 90K miles, new TB, new nozzles, VR6/G60 clutch, also has VNT-17 turbo. So its all set all needs is to be tuned and would be great fun economical car to drive w/ plenty of power.

As others stated the TDI would be very well suitable for SD roads, specially long distance highway drives. The are great cars, and reliable is well taken car of. I had my Golf for 5 years already and I love it, its been thru all kinds of roads and weather conditions and never failed on me.

Don't want to self promote myself, but if you do end up buying TDI sometime in near future and will need work to be done on car feel free to contact me. I have my own shop and thats what I do for living work on TDI's and all other VW/Audi vehicles. I know im not on trusted list yet, because most of my customers are not a tdiclub members so they don't post here. I even myself don't post on here much anymore do to lack of free time.

You can find my contact info at my unfinished site www.vdubautorepair.com
 

VLS_GUY

Veteran Member
Joined
Sep 27, 2006
Location
Camarillo, CA
TDI
2002 Bug, Skid Plate, Stage 1 Upsolute
Plenty of good information given here for running a TDI in an isolated, rural area. In my experience in Alberta I would install both the lift kit and the skid plate if you are purchasing an A4 chassis car. I have seen FOD (cracked oil pans), particularly during the winter, on gravel roads even with skid plates installed. The lift kit makes a difference in this regard.
In addition to a VCDS you will need a Bentley manual (CD version) in order to tell you what the codes and measuring blocks mean. Remember a TDI is first a VW and a diesel second. Things that work on a Cummins or Navistar will destroy a TDI due to the special lubricant, coolant, and special tool (maintenance) requirements that are required. In short these cars do not tolerate ignorance or learning on the job.
If you are willing to learn and DIY it could work out well for you.
How far from Mobridge are you?
 

K5ING

Mega-Miler
Joined
Apr 18, 2001
Location
Krum, TX
TDI
Silver 2001 Golf GL TDI 5-speed
Plenty of good information given here for running a TDI in an isolated, rural area. In my experience in Alberta I would install both the lift kit and the skid plate if you are purchasing an A4 chassis car. I have seen FOD (cracked oil pans), particularly during the winter, on gravel roads even with skid plates installed. The lift kit makes a difference in this regard.
In addition to a VCDS you will need a Bentley manual (CD version) in order to tell you what the codes and measuring blocks mean. Remember a TDI is first a VW and a diesel second. Things that work on a Cummins or Navistar will destroy a TDI due to the special lubricant, coolant, and special tool (maintenance) requirements that are required. In short these cars do not tolerate ignorance or learning on the job.
If you are willing to learn and DIY it could work out well for you.
How far from Mobridge are you?
Good advice, as was all of the posts previous to this. One thing I would add, and I run the risk of ruffling a few feathers when I say this, but try to find a Golf instead of a Jetta. While the TDI engines in both will be the same, the bodies and electrical systems in Golfs tend to hold up better than in the Jettas, IMHO. Even considering the number Golfs vs. Jettas sold, there seem to be far fewer complaints by Golf owners of stuff falling off, stuff not working, and electrical gremlins. All of the Jettas sold here are made in Mexico, whereas most of the Golfs are either German or Brazilian made. While I don't have anything against Mexico in general, I don't think the quality of their plant is up to the same standards as the ones in Brazil or Germany.

Another reason is that if you find yourself having to haul items, especially bulky ones, is that the Golf's hatchback design is handier than the Jetta's sedan configuration. As for the Jetta wagons, I'm not sure where they are made so I can't make a recommendation one way or the other.

Jetta owners, feel free to flame me. I'm wearing my Nomex undies. :D
 
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loaba

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May 10, 2009
Location
Albuquerque, NM
TDI
12 Jetta Sportwagen
Jetta owners, feel free to flame me. I'm wearing my Nomex undies. :D
I'm not sure of the exact numbers, but I'm always reading about Jetta being the number 1 VW product sold in North America. If that's true, then it makes perfect sense that VW would want to build as many as they could over here. I'd also tend to think that they'd want to pay as much attention to quality control as possible.

If Golf were the number 1 seller, it would be made in Mexico as well. Additionally, are their more complaints about Jetta because more of them are sold? That seems logical to me.

On topic - If you want a TDI, buy one and enjoy it, no matter where you live.
 

Aquaticmind

Veteran Member
Joined
Apr 17, 2009
Location
Wheeling, WV via Athens Georgia via, Bainbridge Is
TDI
2003 Jetta Wagon
As for the Jetta wagons, I'm not sure where they are made so I can't make a recommendation one way or the other.
The wagens, at least the mkIV were made in Germany, and have a VIN that starts with VWV.

I hear.. they are the most reliable but I have no proof, and may be simply passing on here-say.

Regardless, I really like my wagen, 2003 5sp. The car is great for trips, holds plenty and is only 10" long than jetta sedan. With a 2" lift and skidplate, the car drive great on the hwy, and I don't have to worry about gravel driveways, potholes, and ice wads.

I'm wearing my Nomex undies.
That sounds unpleasant:eek:
 

coalminer16

Top Post Dawg
Joined
Dec 11, 2008
Location
Central Wisconsin
TDI
Golf 2004
If you own a set of wrenches (metric of course) and aren't afraid to buy some special tools and you get internet and are a savy enough of a shade tree mech then you will be fine. I live in Sheridan WY. Nearest dealers are Billings (130 mile) and Casper (150 mile). I do all my wrenching but tire alignments and certain recalls (did my own sunroof drains).

Stay away from automatics. Also if you want to get a 2 inch lift (highly advised) you need to get a car without ESP (electronic stability control). Metal belly pan is a must. I also have spike-spider tire chains (go on and off in seconds-expensive but worth it). Good set of snow tires as well. You can also raise the car with bigger springs one more inch and then get another inch with bigger tires for 4 inches total lift.

Trust me the car can handle your conditions if you can work on it and have a spare vehicle when you are waiting to ship parts to you. I have similar conditions internet ordering parts, reading how to do things and live in a state that like yours doesn't believe in snow plows. I am one of very few that don't own a 4X4 and I won't either.
 
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