The 2008 diesel Jetta is not listed yet. At least VW is smart enough not to make one of those ridiculous "flex fuel" vehicles..................Erdrick said:Umm... hopefully that IS correct!!! http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/findacar.htm It would mean an increase in FE from the previous 2006 model. Whoops... the formatting on that and the link are probably screwed. Shouldn't take more than a minute to look up the figures on the 2006 Jetta though...
Dunno513 said:It's a larger displacement, higher power engine with a fuel hungry emissions cycle. What part of reality do people not understand. It's not magically going to get better milage just because it's new.
The PD lost ground to the rotary pumps, and the CR is going to lose ground to both. Just a fact of life...
Over a year ago while the CR development and PD demise was being debated I commented on a posted article that clearly said that fuel efficiency would be compromised for sake of 50 state emissions standards in the new CR technology. Apparently no one wanted to hear the possible truth at the time.
But.. probably the best written article about diesels I have read yet... The writer was actually educated..
Oh well.. back to my humble existance... Guess the blame will go the way of the DSG.. ya..thats the reason...
I can't tell if you're blaming speculated increase in fuel consumption on emission standards or common rail fuel delivery.Dunno513 said:... fuel efficiency would be compromised for sake of 50 state emissions standards in the new CR technology...
IIC the top-gear ratio is the same or very close. The DSG 1st is lower than the 5-speed's 1st, the DSG's 2nd is like the 5-speed's 1st.bombero said:Yeah, I notice a lot of people just want to assume this is due to the DSG. My '06 Jetta with the DSG gets great mileage and is acually rated higher on the hwy, probably because it has 6 gears to the the 5 of the manual.
Billthe sort of people who debate the optimal drafting distances for differently-shaped “tow vehicles”
In the US market, maybe.vwdsmguy said:From a trip to a dealer I was told that the next Jettas [2009] would have DSG - no manuals. Is this true?
That's what people want, though. People still are drawn more to power than mileage. They'll even buy a higher-performance gasser that requires premium, not actually running the numbers to see what it'll cost them. And of course, buying sport-utes when they aren't really 'needed.'brucetmoose said:Fast foward 30 years. VW once again has the chance to be a real leader in the MPG market, but for some reason they choose to build a car with more power which uses more fuel. Yeah, that's a brilliant move .
This is more the 'average' US consumer than us here on this TDI forum. They 'need' 306hp and AWD and all the bells and whistles. And 'the order hassle'? Many of us here on TDIclub like ordering exactly what we want.I just made up with the little lady for all the crap I subjected her to the past few years.
I bought her a loaded 2008 Infinity AWD with all the bells and whistles (Tech package)
She has consistantly had Cadillac STS cars since 1991, and I looked at the 2008 CTS AWD, but I couldn't resist Infiniti 306 HP @ 7500 RPM. Also the Cad dealer was reluctant to find the color combo she would be happy with. I hate the "order" hassle. The Infinity dealer was willing to get the model/color we wanted within a day from 100 miles away.
Done deal.
Does anyone have experience with an Infinitu G ? My test drive was awsome, the interior great, the exterior really nice.
I reckon that for every person who ponies up for nice new Prius because they want to great gas mileage, there's at least one who bought it for the 'poseur' factor. They want to be seen in it because it is a car that is to be 'seen in'. Look at all the celebutards who drive them around LA. If it weren't for the sense of smug satisfaction they get for pretending to be 'earth friendly', they wouldn't be caught dead in those little things and would be riding in Range Rovers and Lexus SUVs instead.impetus19 said:Toyota is still selling a lot of priuses.. So not everyone in this country is looking for a loaded Infinity.
Unfortunate that a 300 hp <20mpg car can pass emissions and a 40mpg diesel cant.
Who cares _why_ they do it, they are doing it and telling their friends - and being seen on TV. I don't care if someone buys a fuel efficient car to get more sex with monkeys. We all have our own reasons and if they mean reducing fuel consumption by 20 or 50% why are any of them "bad".Tom Servo said:I reckon that for every person who ponies up for nice new Prius because they want to great gas mileage, there's at least one who bought it for the 'poseur' factor. They want to be seen in it because it is a car that is to be 'seen in'. Look at all the celebutards who drive them around LA. If it weren't for the sense of smug satisfaction they get for pretending to be 'earth friendly', they wouldn't be caught dead in those little things and would be riding in Range Rovers and Lexus SUVs instead.
The 07 DSG model will have a 7 speed trans thus getting higher mileage. The VW site says 40 city and 50s hwy( I am not sure of the manual trans). My wifes 05 Passat with the TDI and automatic averages about 33 in combined driving. On the hwy, with 4 people, loaded with luggage and cruising speeds better than 70, I got something like 44 MPG. Her car has the 2.0 engine with less refinement than the new Jetta. I don't think you will see a fuel economy reduction at all!gopher said:if one reads foreign publications such as What Diesel Car you will discover that the government fuel economy figures (at least in England) show about a 10% reduction in fuel economy for the Jetta TDI with 2.0 diesel engine vs the same car with the 1.9L engine- and these are models that meet the current EU emission standards. In the U.S. the 2009 Jetta TDI will have to meet much stricter emission standards than the preceeding model, accordingly it is reasonable to assume that the '09 version that we are waiting for will have at least a 10% reduction in fuel economy compared to the '06 model- accounting for the larger engine and tightened emission standards