New EPA MPG calculations

rcnaylor

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This is not a new article, but I hadn't seen it before. Pretty interesting that the hybrid MPG numbers are predicted to take the biggest drop in more real world MPG ratings. But, I think readers of this forum would have known that anyway:

The difference between expectations and reality can be brutal. Just ask anyone with a hybrid car. Enticed by impressive mileage estimates, drivers pony up thousands of dollars extra, only to find that their on-road miles per gallon never live up to the sticker’s promise. Conventional-car owners, too, have long complained about the discrepancy between the estimate of fuel economy and the reality of gas consumption, but the gap is an especially bitter pill for anyone who has spent a year on a waiting list. Now the Environmental Protection Agency is coming clean about what “miles per gallon” really means—and mpg averages for both conventional and hybrid vehicles are set to nosedive. In January the agency, under mounting pressure from consumers and environmentalists, finally agreed to upgrade its 20-year-old testing system to determine mileage ratings for cars and trucks. The plan is to implement three new tests that will be more accurate and “better reflect the way most people drive,” says EPA spokesperson John Millett. The new regulations will be fully phased in by fall 2007, when 2008 models debut.
The proposed changes would bring several additional elements into the testing lab: cold-weather conditions; higher speeds and more rapid acceleration; and the use of air-conditioning. Most experts agree that the tests will provide more accurate estimates that better reflect modern engines and driving conditions. Compared with 1985, when the EPA last revised its testing methods, today’s vehicles are more powerful, speed limits are higher, there’s more stop-and-go traffic, and A/C comes standard.
But some experts worry that the EPA tests will disproportionately penalize high-mileage vehicles with small engines, such as gas-electric hybrids. The Prius and its kin use a battery as a second source of onboard power, which doesn’t produce as much energy in cold weather. The engine consumes more gas to make up the difference. And because of their smaller engines, hybrids are also more sensitive to A/C use. As a result, a gas guzzler’s number could dip from 20 mpg to 18, and a hybrid’s city estimate of 60 mpg could plunge to 42.
“We’re concerned that sales will drop too,” says John German, formerly with the EPA and now a hybrid-vehicle expert at Honda. That, he says, would be an unfortunate outcome, since hybrids will still get better gas mileage than nearly every gas-powered vehicle currently on the market.
The other worrisome issue, industry experts say, is that the new EPA tests will do nothing to improve overall fuel economy in the U.S. That’s because the Department of Transportation has its own set of calculations to regulate fuel-efficiency standards, known as the Corporate Average Fuel Economy rules, for automakers. Under the CAFE rules, the mandated average fuel economy for passenger cars is just 27.5 miles per gallon. Increasing that standard is the only way to force manufacturers to devise new fuel-efficient technologies, says Brendan Bell, clean-vehicle spokesperson for the Sierra Club. Bell puts the new EPA changes this way: “It’s like the doctor can now give a more accurate diagnosis, but you’re still not getting a prescription for the disease.”
 

Mike_Van

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On the one hand, the clearer it can be made to consumers that driving a heavy 'light truck,' especially driving one like an ass, results in poor fuel mileage, the better.

On the other, it should also be made clear that driving any vehicle in a conservative manner can result in substantially better MPG. Providing a range of MPG figures seems to be more helpful than providing one.
 

spoilsport

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Sweet!

Bring the diesels and people will buy them.

If Bush bombs Iran, which is looking possible, crude oil goes to $100 / barrel, RUG to $4 / gallon.

Then let's see what happens to SUV sales! :D
 

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Am I the only one who is concerned that the EPA is afraid of altering purchasing habits of consumers by making the numbers more accurately reflect real-world driving??

I would think that the EPA should *totally ignore* what their desicions and actions would do to sales figures of the auto industry. What ever happened to the notion of an goverment agency which is *indipendant* and not in the pockets of the big buisness?

This is reminecant of the actions of the RIAA and FDA which (I beleive) have gone beyond the scope of what those agencies were intended to do. (Why ask the Doctors and the insurance industry the best way to pay the medical bills?...its like asking the Wolf the best way to protect the henhouse)

It is obvious to me that the government has become WAYY to invasive into things... often to just increase tax revinue. (but they never actually say that)

Bottom line -- If less fuel were purchased... the goverment coffers would suffer.
 

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rcnaylor said:
TAs a result, a gas guzzler’s number could dip from 20 mpg to 18, and a hybrid’s city estimate of 60 mpg could plunge to 42.
It's more likely that those numbers for the guzzlers will possibly dip into single digits for city estimates. Some pickups rated for 15 MPG city could easily loose a third of that number depending on how the EPA tests them. Anyone in the market for a Monroney sticker with 10 MPG city on it?

spoilsport said:
If Bush bombs Iran, which is looking possible
My money is on Israel. Iran might test exactly one atomic weapon, and then Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (backed with the false bravado of having a functioning nuke program) will shoot of at the mouth some more about wiping out the Zionist regime. About 5 minutes after that, Israel will drop the hammer of god on Tehran. Israel has had a non-tested nuke program for about 30+ years - probably more than 130 warheads according to the CIA. That's a lot of glass parking lots . . .
 
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