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Old November 6th, 2019, 14:23   #421
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Of course while it may have seemed that way to grandma, change has actually
accelerated during our generation's time. This will likely continue, barring a global
catastrophe.
Have you read Future Shock? Look around today. Plenty of people lost pace with this ever faster rate of change years ago!
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Old November 6th, 2019, 17:07   #422
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Have you read Future Shock? Look around today. Plenty of people lost pace with this ever faster rate of change years ago!
Yes, as a high school senior in 1970.
The rate of innovation has little to do with non-technical people losing pace with it.
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Old November 8th, 2019, 14:11   #423
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Just remember that it was Bill Gates that said he could not see a point where people would need a personal computer. How many on here learned to program by punch tape and punch cards? Heaven help you if the tape ripped or you dropped your card deck. We had to have our deck to the reader by 45 minutes after the hour so they could input them and get a response by 15 after. You then had less than 30 minutes to find and fix your mistakes.
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Old November 8th, 2019, 15:03   #424
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My mom worked with punch cards in the '60s in the computer room at the phone company. The only air conditioned room in the entire building. When I was in high school in 1970 we had a keypunch machine in the back of the classroom, but they were being phased out by then. Of course, the federal government is slow to upgrade, so when I started as a controller in 1985 our IBM mainframe still ran our training scenarios via punch cards.
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Old November 9th, 2019, 11:09   #425
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Just remember that it was Bill Gates that said he could not see a point where people would need a personal computer. How many on here learned to program by punch tape and punch cards? Heaven help you if the tape ripped or you dropped your card deck. We had to have our deck to the reader by 45 minutes after the hour so they could input them and get a response by 15 after. You then had less than 30 minutes to find and fix your mistakes.
I was in on the transition while at college. At the start we used Fortran or Cobol and punch card with the university mainframe, univocal or unison as I called it. The PITA was always crashing. In the middle Apple started cutting a good deal with the Apple II. Towards the end the engineering department mandated Msdos computers using floppy discs. Go forward 35 years and I am typing this on an iMac after 37 years in Microhell.
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Old November 10th, 2019, 14:08   #426
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i want a new Q8, TDI!!
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Old November 17th, 2019, 12:15   #427
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Hehe I would gladly take a 2020 euro sq5 tdi MHEV. The new ones average US mpg is 34.5 - 35.5 depending on options and mine is 27 US average and that's with it being 1.5s faster to 60... and its CO2 / mi is 279 and mine is 384... crazy
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Old December 29th, 2019, 21:31   #428
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I still HAVE some of those punch cards (both the 80 column and 96 column versions... YES, I'm OLD !
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Old January 17th, 2020, 08:39   #429
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Last spring I bought my second tdi - a 2002 golf w/auto - for a song. Although it got great mpg it had high mileage and the fuzzy logic for the trans was pretty fuzzy ( I reset the trans alot ) . I wanted it because I knew I needed something for 500+ mile one day trips a couple times a week for several months .

I'm down to 500+ ( with an occasional 800-1000 thrown in ) one day trips but less frequently. Upon seeing some really good prices for refurb'd ( recalled ) tdi's I traded for a 2013 tdi 6sp jsw with - 50K miles . I figure its good for 200k -300k more.

I gave ev's and hybrids some consideration but bottom line between the mpg, vehicle cost ( absurdly low as demand is " weak " ) and the lack of ev's for such hi miles in one day the choice was clear.
fwiw - some years back I had a chat with a scientist from DOE who advocated EV's . He had persuasive logic for urban drivers but my logic for suburban/rural ( think fly over country ) prevailed . We agreed to a draw. Given my mileage - tdi's are great .


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Old January 17th, 2020, 09:49   #430
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I have to agree that for your driving scenario, a diesel makes far more sense than an EV. If I was driving those sort of miles daily, I'd absolutely still be driving a TDI. There's a chance that I might move to my planned retirement location before I actually retire, and I would have to drive a bit over 225 miles round trip to the office. I would only do it if I could telework the majority of the time, but I'd still likely have to drive in once a week. If that happens, I'll be picking up a older VW TDI for the drive. My PHEV Niro might get about the same MPG driving that distance, but it's a lease and I wouldn't want to rack up those kind of miles on it. Plus I think something around a 2005-2007 Jetta or Golf would be a very comfortable car for the distance.
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Old January 18th, 2020, 12:33   #431
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fwiw - some years back I had a chat with a scientist from DOE who advocated EV's . He had persuasive logic for urban drivers but my logic for suburban/rural ( think fly over country ) prevailed . We agreed to a draw. Given my mileage - tdi's are great .


just my $ 0.02
How many years is 'some'? I'm driving ~500 miles from W Texas to Austin at the end of the month. Our only charging stop will be ~15 minutes which we would likely make anyway for lunch. Once there are V3 superchargers that would be more like a 8 minutes of charging.

I'd say EVs with Model 3 type specs (~300mi Range + 250kW Charging) are now more convenient than 99.9% of use cases. I know I enjoy never having to remember if I need to fill up or when my next oil change is. I just plug-in when I get home and get my oil changed ~never

I sold my TDI for a Model S ~7 years ago, I live in fly-over country and IT. HAS. BEEN. AWESOME

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I'd say EVs with Model 3 type specs (~300mi Range + 250kW Charging) are now more convenient than 99.9% of use cases.
Uh, no. EVs have a long, long way to go before they compare favorably with a TDI that goes over 700 miles on a fill, has an order of magnitude more fill locations, and gets you the next 700 miles in 5 min or less.

Guys I know have a Model 3 and drove it to upstate NY and NH over the holidays. In order to keep the length of time at stops low, they stop every 150-175 miles and charge from 5% to 50-60%. But charger locations sometimes cause them to stop more frequently. And of course they have to stop where there's a charger, not where they want to (I like rest areas, they're cleaner and quieter in some states). Doesn't sound very convenient to me.
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Old January 18th, 2020, 16:24   #433
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charge from 5% to 50-60%.
If they knew what they were doing they'd charge from %25 to %80, same "miles per hour" of charge rate while maintaining a notably larger cushion for unforeseen events.
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These guys are very well versed in long distance runs in the Model 3, having traveled 47K miles in less than two years. I think it's safe to say they know what they're doing. And some poking around on youtube corroborates their practice.
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Uh, no. EVs have a long, long way to go before they compare favorably with a TDI that goes over 700 miles on a fill, has an order of magnitude more fill locations, and gets you the next 700 miles in 5 min or less.
Why on Earth would any sane person want to drive 700 miles without stopping? And there's no real benefit to an 'order of magnitude' more 'fill locations'. When I'm <100 miles from home I only need 1 (at home). When I'm traveling I just need a spot between point A and B.

Also.... pretty sure there's more places to charge an EV than there are petrol stations. I have >15 sockets in my house alone.
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