www.tdiclub.com

Economy - Longevity - Performance
The #1 Source of TDI Information on the Web!
Forums Articles Links Meets
Orders TDI Club Cards TDIFest 2016 Gone, but not forgotten VAG-Com List Unit Conversions TDIClub Chat Thank You




Go Back   TDIClub Forums > TDI Model Specific Discussions Areas > VW MKVII-Mk7 Golf family including Golf Wagon (~ 2015 +)

VW MKVII-Mk7 Golf family including Golf Wagon (~ 2015 +) Discussions area for the Mk7 (2015+) Golf and Golf Wagon TDIs based on the MQB (Modularer Querbaukasten) platform.

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old August 24th, 2017, 09:53   #16
surfstar
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: May 2017
Location: SB, CA
Default

I wonder if its not the hill hold feature, but the clutch delay valve (CDV) that you are experiencing?
With my '16 TSI GSW, it was awful. If stopped on an incline, when loaded down with camping gear, I had to slip the clutch to the point of burning to get moving without stalling. Not related to the hill hold at all. It was the CDV delaying engagement of the clutch and not allowing power transfer fast enough to prevent stalling when starting on hills, with a heavily loaded wagon.
Removed the CDV and it acts as it should.

Not sure if the TDIs have one, but I'd wager on "yes", as 1.8 5spd do, and 2.0 GTI 6spd also do.
surfstar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 24th, 2017, 10:01   #17
Grigg3
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Lexington, VA
Default

Yes, they do have a restricted check valve in the clutch hydraulic circuit and that's on my list to remove, but it's not the issue here at all.
Instructions for removing that restriction.
http://www.vwroc.com/forums/topic/12...l-manual-cars/
http://www.golfmk7.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14745
__________________
05 Jetta wagon, 15 Golf wagon
Grigg3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 24th, 2017, 12:36   #18
Grigg3
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Lexington, VA
Default

Here is the thread I started in the Ross-Tech forum about how to disable Hill Hold.
http://forums.ross-tech.com/showthre...able-Hill-Hold
__________________
05 Jetta wagon, 15 Golf wagon
Grigg3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 24th, 2017, 13:09   #19
jerrymander
Veteran Member
 
jerrymander's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Cowford, FL
Fuel Economy: 286 lbft
Default

The option is an Adaptation channel in the ABS module, and as far as I was able to tell it has 3 settings, roughly equivalent to Weak, Normal, and Strong. There is no fourth, "off" setting like in the A6.

It is still invasive but markedly less so when set to the weakest option.
jerrymander is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 24th, 2017, 13:21   #20
Grigg3
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Lexington, VA
Default

Right, I've got that adaptation set to reduce the annoyance.

I'm pretty sure it can be turned off altogether, it's all computer programming anyhow... just need for figure out how to do it.
__________________
05 Jetta wagon, 15 Golf wagon
Grigg3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 24th, 2017, 13:23   #21
jerrymander
Veteran Member
 
jerrymander's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Cowford, FL
Fuel Economy: 286 lbft
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Grigg3 View Post
I'm pretty sure it can be turned off altogether, it's all computer programming anyhow... just need for figure out how to do it.
Cap your brake lines at the reservoir, so they won't turn on.

But in all seriousness, this whole MQB car platform is even more annoying than the last.
jerrymander is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 25th, 2017, 07:59   #22
giuseppe_b
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Albuquerque, NewMexico
Fuel Economy: 42 mpg avg
Default

I wonder if each car comes from the factory with different settings for the hill hold. For instance, I have noticed that it disengages at the slightest attempt at movement of the car. Let out the clutch a tiny bit and tap the throttle, then put the car back in neutral and it will roll backward and the the brake pedal has full motion, not like it feels when hill hold is engaged. If I ever get access to a VAGCOM I might disable it but I don't find it to be very annoying. The reason I do this slight throttle tap action is because I cannot stand to have the car in reverse when backing down a sloped driveway. I only put it in gear IF there is any traffic coming or any reason for someone to see that I'm reversing or if the area is poorly lit. But often this is not the case so I just coast down in N to the street, and then put it in first and carry on.
I have not heard of this CDV feature, why would they have included such a thing?

Sometimes I find myself wishing I had bought an old ALH Golf or JSW with fewer of these modern features getting in the way. Or just kept my 10 Jetta.
giuseppe_b is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 25th, 2017, 10:18   #23
Grigg3
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Lexington, VA
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Grigg3 View Post
Here is the thread I started in the Ross-Tech forum about how to disable Hill Hold.
http://forums.ross-tech.com/showthre...able-Hill-Hold
In that thread is now a solution, and it works perfectly.
So pleased to not have the hill holder on my MK7!

ABS controller code
Byte 25
Reads "63" hill holder works, stock setting.
Change to "60" and hill holder is disabled.

See the Ross-Tech thread for the complete details and code.
__________________
05 Jetta wagon, 15 Golf wagon
Grigg3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 25th, 2017, 10:25   #24
oilhammer
Certified Volkswagen Nut Vendor
 
oilhammer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: St Louis
Fuel Economy: fantastic
Default

Awesome, thanks!

And once again ross-tech kicks butt!
__________________
oilhammer
www.cardocautomotive.com
oilhammer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 29th, 2017, 10:47   #25
Grigg3
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Lexington, VA
Default

Yes, great folks and a great tool.

Subconsciously on slight hills I was letting off the brake and then putting it in gear, effectively defeating the hill holder. Only noticed that bad habit now that it's off and it's not necessary.

With the coding changed it's been nice driving the car without the hill holder.
I can drive it like you're supposed to drive a manual.

There are probably a few occasions when that function would be OK, and or for someone that doesn't drive a manual regularly, but otherwise not worth the trouble.
__________________
05 Jetta wagon, 15 Golf wagon
Grigg3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 22nd, 2018, 07:11   #26
Chris Bell
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Santa Barbara, CA
Default

This is such a worthwhile thread, I thought I'd bring it to the top in case some haven't seen it.

I just did this and love the results with my 6MT. I got sick of having to remember to change technique during a standing start on a hill vs. on the flat to overcome the hill holder. After a year with it, that inconsistency would still cause me to occasionally stall on a hill start when I would forget to change my behavior, which, after 50 years of driving manuals, I've never had to do.

Whether this will re-code will make a difference probably depends on how aggressive your normal standing starts are. I like clutch engagement with the least possible throttle and RPM, so I'm the worst candidate for this feature.

This could have been an MFA-selectable option with a description that its appropriate for certain driving situations or driver's styles but not for all. VW's lawyers would have nixed that, though.
__________________
'15 GSW SE 6MT
'01 Golf 5MT
'97 Passat sedan
'96 Passat variant
'99 BMW M3 Cabrio

Last edited by Chris Bell; May 22nd, 2018 at 08:07.
Chris Bell is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 22nd, 2018, 07:55   #27
KITEWAGON
Veteran Member
 
KITEWAGON's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Seacoast, NH
Default

Funny, I've noticed the hill hold, but never found it to be a problem. Its kind of an odd feeling, but I've never felt like it "held" the brakes as I'm trying to accelerate. Maybe I just naturally give too much fuel and slip the clutch when I'm on a hill!



I'm surprised that VW didn't list this feature as something that could be disabled through the MFD.
__________________
2014 Touareg TDI Executive, Canyon Grey, 130k
2014 JSW TDI, Platinum Grey, 43k
2005 Toyota Tundra Double Cab SR5 TRD 4x4, Silver, 165k
KITEWAGON is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 22nd, 2018, 09:13   #28
740GLE
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: NH
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by KITEWAGON View Post

I'm surprised that VW didn't list this feature as something that could be disabled through the MFD.

Oh please, it'd just confuse people if you had access to it through the MFD, just like a million other things that should be in the MFD that arn't

Windows down with remote anyone?
__________________
Hers: 2015 Passat SEL (NOS) w/ VW fix and Malone Stage 2.
His: 2017 Alltrack SE, waiting for TSI to TDI conversion kits to be released.
Bought back 2010 Sedan, cog swapper, build date 07/09, BB 6/7/16. 2012 Passat, Roof+Nav, build date 05/12, BB 7/11
740GLE is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 22nd, 2018, 16:31   #29
Ol'Rattler
Veteran Member
 
Ol'Rattler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Marysville, Wa.
Default

Sounds like Microsoft Windows Ten which actually is Spy-ware disguised as an operating system.

Part of MS's Windows 10 EULA should include the following:
"Since you are too stupid to know what you want, Microsoft will make those decisions for you. Do not attempt to disable any of the features Microsoft has decided you need as they will be reactivated during the next FORCED update to Window$ 10".
__________________
2006 Jetta TDI
5 speed, Manufactured 06/06
DC stage 1 SMF Clutch
Draw-Tite hitch
Dash Tray
Blue tint aspherical mirrors
Euro Cupholder
Euro Light Switch
2nd grocery hook
VCDS Hacks: DRL Disabled-Seatbelt Chime Disabled-Key fob Power Windows
Adjusted Cam to Crank Timing

Last edited by Ol'Rattler; May 22nd, 2018 at 16:43.
Ol'Rattler is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 23rd, 2018, 14:36   #30
billc508
Newbie
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: boston ma
Fuel Economy: about 48 mpg
Default just bill

I took mine to a performance shop that has the electronic equipment with the long coding program. There is a menu by which you can decrease the length of time for the hill holder or zero it out altogether. I had them zero mine out and never had trouble with it again.
billc508 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Hill holder? HillbillyJim VW Passat Family (NMS and B7) TDIs (2012+) 29 May 6th, 2016 05:39
Turn off Hill Assist 2wheeljunkie VW MKVI-A6 Golf family including Jetta SportWagen (~ 2010-2014) 34 July 15th, 2014 04:33
Asking dealer to turn off hill assist? sandydeb VW Passat Family (NMS and B7) TDIs (2012+) 58 June 6th, 2014 16:34
2010 DSG with Hill Holder? saizzz VW MKVI-A6 Golf family including Jetta SportWagen (~ 2010-2014) 5 October 22nd, 2009 17:39
"Hill-holder" feature? Surely not...? Kiscica TDI 101 20 April 4th, 2003 14:59


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 23:30.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright - TDIClub Online LTD - 2017
Contact Us | Privacy Statement | Forum Rules | Disclaimer
TDIClub Online Ltd (TDIClub.com) is not affiliated with the VWoA or VWAG and is supported by contributions from viewers like you.
1996 - 2017, All Rights Reserved
Page generated in 0.17630 seconds with 13 queries
[Output: 129.34 Kb. compressed to 107.86 Kb. by saving 21.47 Kb. (16.60%)]